Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 30th Oct 2010 22:04 UTC
Legal Apple sued Motorola back. Who wants a Pop-Tart? Seriously, why don't they sell Pop-Tarts in The Netherlands? Why do I have to jump through so many hoops just to get Pop-Tarts? Or root beer for that matter? I mean, come on.
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RE[2]: Multitouch
by Neolander on Sun 31st Oct 2010 06:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Multitouch"
Neolander
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2010-03-08

Yes, there was a video when they registered the patent back in 2005 on Google Video (defunct?). They explained the patent. So they got one. I don't know if there is prior art.

Well, there is prior art for resistive multitouch screens, I'm sure of that. Capacitive screens I'm not sure, but I can't see where Apple could have done that amount of research in hardware.

In most post-2000 Apple products, the brand's contribution was in exterior product design and software, except for very simple tricks like the shuffle's infamous idea of putting a remote on the earphone wire. In the first well-known use of capacitive sensing, the iPod's clickwheel, it was Synaptics who worked on the thing. I can't think of an example of Apple working on any other hardware than their product's enclosure since ages ago, back in the days of Steve Wozniak and the original Macintosh project. If they actually came up with capacitive multitouch on their own, it's a premiere in their recent history, and it's impressive that they managed to do it right. Maybe they hired the inventor of the product in time, like with LLVM ?

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RE[3]: Multitouch
by Morty on Sun 31st Oct 2010 10:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Multitouch"
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2005-07-06

the shuffle's infamous idea of putting a remote on the earphone wire.

Remotes on the earphone wire was more or less standard on the mid-priced and more expensive portable CD players/diskmans of the '90s, and it has forever been default on most wired phone hansdsfrees. Makin that a kind of Apple invention is rather far fetched. Any medicore engeneer with a little knowledge of portable electronics would specify such a solution.

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RE[4]: Multitouch
by Neolander on Sun 31st Oct 2010 11:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Multitouch"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Remotes on the earphone wire was more or less standard on the mid-priced and more expensive portable CD players/diskmans of the '90s, and it has forever been default on most wired phone hansdsfrees. Makin that a kind of Apple invention is rather far fetched. Any medicore engeneer with a little knowledge of portable electronics would specify such a solution.

On those MD and CD players, you had a special socket coupling a standard 3.5 minijack and some extra pins for remote use. When you didn't have the remote, you just used the minijack without caring about the extra pins. When using the remote, you plugged it in the minijack *and* the extra pins, and you plugged your earphones on the remote.

What Apple did with the iPod Shuffle 3G (I think it's 3G...) is not exactly that. You have a 3.5" minijack in which you plug the Apple earphones, and the remote is soldered on that wire, not allowing you to use it with any other pair of earphones. Remote and Shuffle communicate on the earphone wire via non-audible frequencies if I remember well. This basically forces the user to use the Apple earphones or shuffle3g-specific earphones made by authorized resellers, since you need that remote to do basically anything with the Shuffle 3G.

And in case you wondered if somebody made an old-style remote for this Shuffle generation, bypassing this limitation : some DRM chip from Apple has been added to the remote, preventing non-authorized resellers from making remotes for the iPod shuffle 3G. (source : http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipod-shuffle-t... )

So making this required Apple a bit more engineering than simply copy-pasting existing remote technology... Though not much, indeed, that's why I called it a trick.

Edited 2010-10-31 11:42 UTC

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RE[3]: Multitouch
by xeoron on Sun 31st Oct 2010 15:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Multitouch"
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2007-03-25

They have a bunch of multi-touch patents from buying the really cool gesture fingerworks keyboard maker

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RE[4]: Multitouch
by Neolander on Sun 31st Oct 2010 16:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Multitouch"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

They have a bunch of multi-touch patents from buying the really cool gesture fingerworks keyboard maker

Okay, now I understand better... Thanks !

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