Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Oct 2010 22:29 UTC
Legal Yesterday, we discussed the claims made by Oracle about Google allegedly copying their code, and quickly enough, the web - I included - concluded that it looked like the code in question originally came from Apache's Harmony Project - although no one could find it in the current code repository. Earlier this morning, I contacted the Apache Software Foundation, and they cleared everything up: the contested class library does not, and did not, come from the Apache Harmony project.
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RE[7]: Google annoys me
by NeoX on Sun 31st Oct 2010 17:22 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Google annoys me"
NeoX
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2006-02-19


I don't know where you're from, but it's kind of an American attitude to blame others for one's own stupidity.

Oh really? Another baseless stereotype. I live in the US and I do not blame people for my mistakes or stupid misunderstandings.

I don't get why you think it is ok to make these accusations nor do I get why you think it belongs on a technology site.

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RE[8]: Google annoys me
by RshPL on Sun 31st Oct 2010 18:07 in reply to "RE[7]: Google annoys me"
RshPL Member since:
2009-03-13

"
I don't know where you're from, but it's kind of an American attitude to blame others for one's own stupidity.

Oh really? Another baseless stereotype. I live in the US and I do not blame people for my mistakes or stupid misunderstandings.
"
I think it comes down to a one particular lawsuit when a woman suited McDonald for not putting a "hot" warning on a hot coffee that she ordered .. and apparently she won. Hot coffee? Who would have thought!!

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RE[8]: Google annoys me
by Drumhellar on Sun 31st Oct 2010 22:03 in reply to "RE[7]: Google annoys me"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

He's making a generalization, which, as an American, I believe to be fair.

Americans are largely ignorant of the law, of the agreements they sign, of how companies do business.

Less than 1% read contracts for credit cards they sign up for. Maybe 1% read the details of the extended warranty they purchase. I know of nobody that is near my age that actually reads the text of laws they vote on in elections (Granted, of my friends, I'm the only one that votes consistently). Slightly more than half of eligible voters vote in national presidential elections, and only a little bit more than a third vote in national midterm elections.

And, when Americans don't pay attention to the fine print, and get shafted as a result, we scream bloody murder and file lawsuits.

This is why every product you purchase has the most ridiculous warning labels. People still need to be told not to let babies play with plastic grocery bags.

His generalization may not apply to you (as it doesn't apply to me), but it is disingenuous to suggest that it is completely without merit.

I'm sure Thom is intelligent enough that, when meeting an American on the street, his first thoughts aren't, "I'd better stay away. He might blame me for his problems!"

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RE[9]: Google annoys me
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 31st Oct 2010 22:57 in reply to "RE[8]: Google annoys me"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm sure Thom is intelligent enough that, when meeting an American on the street, his first thoughts aren't, "I'd better stay away. He might blame me for his problems!"


It gets better. I'm actually a huge fan of the US - not the government or its systems and laws, but the people. I have met and have dealt with a lot of Americans in my life, and all of those dealings have been very, very pleasant. Of all the nationalities I've dealt with, Americans are at the top of my list.

And I've dealt with all manners of Americans - left-wing liberal atheists, as well as die-hard pro-Bush Christians when I stayed with a Texan family on the outskirts of Austin for three weeks. I was surprised to see how tolerant and open-minded even those strong Christians were. You'd think they wouldn't take kindly to a non-religious, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-liberal drug law, alcohol-drinking die-hard monarchist from Liberalistan, but nothing could be further from the truth. My fellow Dutchmen and women could learn quite a lot when it comes to tolerance from those people.

Little secret: I actively ponder moving to the US one day.

Edited 2010-10-31 22:58 UTC

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RE[9]: Google annoys me
by earksiinni on Sun 31st Oct 2010 23:07 in reply to "RE[8]: Google annoys me"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

So, do 2.7% of Dutch people and 8.14% of South Africans read credit card contracts?

NeoX is right; as for what Thom is saying, stupid things aren't always that obvious, but it's not even about that. I think that the readership of OSNews is unusually privileged in having the opportunity, interest, and ability to follow these kinds of pressing issues, but just because my neighbor isn't as foresighted doesn't mean that I should laugh at him when Google decides to sell all his private info. We can't all be brilliant and fearless Karl Marx's exposing the system from within.

A just society can do better than that--it's called "consumer protection" for the legally-minded, though part of the problem is that people are so legally-minded. Or rather, legally-constrained.

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RE[9]: Google annoys me
by JAlexoid on Sun 31st Oct 2010 23:41 in reply to "RE[8]: Google annoys me"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

He's making a generalization, which, as an American, I believe to be fair.

Americans are largely ignorant of the law, of the agreements they sign, of how companies do business.

Less than 1% read contracts for credit cards they sign up for.
...
And, when Americans don't pay attention to the fine print,
...
This is why every product you purchase has the most ridiculous warning labels.
...


I find that people all over the world are largely ignorant of the law. Specially of some specific ones. But in some cases the law is logical and sometimes it does not make sense.
The most ironic part, is that the common legal system was created to be accessible and understandable by common folk, but it needs periodic housekeeping. I am sorry that US has a really bad(in terms of process) lawmaking body...
Because laws are so complex and overlapping with legal precedents feeding back into the laws your contracts are really hard to write and then understand. My credit contract is not long at all, but I don't live in US. I read it each time I sign it to make sure nothing has drastically changed, because it takes only 10 minutes to read through all the fine print.
Fortunately for me the warning and warranty requirements are spelled out by the government and only special cases need to be presented in the warranty statement.

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RE[9]: Google annoys me
by NeoX on Mon 1st Nov 2010 05:28 in reply to "RE[8]: Google annoys me"
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

He's making a generalization, which, as an American, I believe to be fair.

Americans are largely ignorant of the law, of the agreements they sign, of how companies do business.

But he wasn't talking about the law or contracts or any of the things you mentioned, which personally I think apply to all humans, not just USA citizens, it was just an overall generalization which you are welcome to feel is fair, but I don't agree with that. Now that is just my opinion and you are free to have yours.


And, when Americans don't pay attention to the fine print, and get shafted as a result, we scream bloody murder and file lawsuits.

And this is different in other countries, like the UK or others? Frivolous law suits know now territories...


This is why every product you purchase has the most ridiculous warning labels. People still need to be told not to let babies play with plastic grocery bags.

Again these kinds of stupid things are things People do all over the world. The US does not corner the market on being ignorant...


His generalization may not apply to you (as it doesn't apply to me), but it is disingenuous to suggest that it is completely without merit.

It is disingenuous? So do you have some facts and statistics to prove these generalizations only apply to Americans? So by that it is ok to say a generalization like Asians are horrible drivers?

You see People are People, so why should it be you and I should get along so awfully? HAHA sorry couldn't resist a little Depeche Mode humor...

Seriously though Humans in general do all these things and you can't generalize one group like that it just doesn't seem right.

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