Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Nov 2010 13:10 UTC
Apple It's the end of the line for Apple's line of servers, the Xserve. The Cupertino giant has just announced that the Xserve line (no more future models, either) will no longer be sold after January 31, 2011, and advises people interested in Mac OS X Server to buy either a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server installed.
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Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

It's total BS about Java. MS doesn't create their own Java (not the real stuff) nor do they include Java in any version of Windows.

Java came from Sun, now Oracle. Oracle is going to roll Java for Mac OS X just like it does for Windows and Linux and ...

In case you don't know, Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison are VERY good friends. I'm sure they talked about why Apple was making their own Java version even before it was official that Oracle was buying Sun.

Don't worry, Java will be their for Mac OS X. Stop flinging BS/FUD, it will just come flying back into your face.

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kloty Member since:
2005-07-07

What makes you so sure that Oracle will support Java for Mac? Just because Steve and Larry are good friends??? I'm really dependent on Java and while there is no announcement for Oracle about Java support for Mac from them I have to look out for alternatives. Google and Apple were also friends, look at them now, they are suing each other. Friendship between industry leaders is much too shaky foundation, I would rely at. I really hope I'm wrong here.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

What makes you so sure that Oracle will support Java for Mac? Just because Steve and Larry are good friends??? I'm really dependent on Java and while there is no announcement for Oracle about Java support for Mac from them I have to look out for alternatives. Google and Apple were also friends, look at them now, they are suing each other. Friendship between industry leaders is much too shaky foundation, I would rely at. I really hope I'm wrong here.


Because both of them are pragmatic - they do what is in their own best interests. Lion will probably include a host of changes because from what I heard the Apple implementation/fork of Java requires the use of private API's that may cause problems if a third party were to maintain it hence you'll probably see some new low level API's come out in next years WWDC2011 that co-incide with Oracle taking over maintenance. All the heavy lifting for Java on Mac OS X has already been done by Apple, it is just a matter of Oracle keeping the momentum going which would be chicken shit (cost wise) in comparison to other platforms.

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unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

My guess is that Larry Ellison likes small pieces of paper with pictures of Benjamin Franklin much more than he likes Steve Jobs. If Apple drops java, there will be no java.

Java is mainly for servers, and with no OS-X servers, there will be no java from Oracle. Not that I think that there would have been one anyway, there are just too few Mac servers out there.

Given how Apple have treated server users over time its no surprise that they didn't sell many of them. First of all they was quite expensive, and secondly there are no such thing as long term planning at Apple. They drop and change models and software often with no apparent upgrade path. Servers lives for years, its not like an iPhone you replace every second year.

If Apple drops Java for the Mac, they will not only annoy server users, they will also annoy a lot of developers. Java is after all one of the most commonly used programming languages in the world, and without developers Apple will have a much harder time to fight things like the growth of Android.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

If Apple drops Java for the Mac, they will not only annoy server users, they will also annoy a lot of developers. Java is after all one of the most commonly used programming languages in the world, and without developers Apple will have a much harder time to fight things like the growth of Android.


A) Apple has already dropped Java for Mac OS X.
B) Not only server users, but Java developers that were lured into the OS X ecosystem by SJ starting from 2001.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

In case you don't know, Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison are VERY good friends.


So are Bill Gates and Larry Ellison, that does not force them to sacrifice their companies' interests for friendship.

Business is business.

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