Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Nov 2010 19:15 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Finally. Finally the leader of a major distribution who has the guts to stand up and say what a lot of people have known for a long time, but didn't dare to say because it usually leads to a storm of criticism. Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will be moving away from X.org, opting to go with Wayland instead.
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fragmentation
by Seth Quarrier on Sat 6th Nov 2010 21:32 UTC
Seth Quarrier
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2005-11-13

My primary concern with this is further desktop fragmentation, we have had GNOME and KDE along with a slew of other toolkits for a long time but they at least have all had X as a common underlayer. If switching to Wayland causes developers to further choose between X and Wayland (which in many cases it appears it will) then we will have further, and more fundamental, fragmentation than we already do especially if Wayland doesn't replace all of X's features e.g. network transparency, leaving X as a competitor as opposed to replacing it.

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RE: fragmentation
by diegoviola on Sat 6th Nov 2010 22:04 in reply to "fragmentation"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

My primary concern with this is further desktop fragmentation, we have had GNOME and KDE along with a slew of other toolkits for a long time but they at least have all had X as a common underlayer. If switching to Wayland causes developers to further choose between X and Wayland (which in many cases it appears it will) then we will have further, and more fundamental, fragmentation than we already do especially if Wayland doesn't replace all of X's features e.g. network transparency, leaving X as a competitor as opposed to replacing it.


I believe Wayland will end up replacing X in the long run, and I think X will remain as a subsystem layer for running legacy X11 applications.

But I won't even bother to have X11 as a subsystem, I will try to have only Wayland applications installed on my system.

But let's be serious, who is the person that is going to be interested in running a legacy windowing system when there is a better and modern one which is faster, better and more suitable for desktop use? Not me for sure.

And if Wayland doesn't end up replacing X, the developers could simply target to the highest level APIs which are Qt, GTK+, etc. Which both of them are already working on X11 and Wayland.

Edited 2010-11-06 22:22 UTC

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RE[2]: fragmentation
by Seth Quarrier on Sat 6th Nov 2010 22:59 in reply to "RE: fragmentation"
Seth Quarrier Member since:
2005-11-13

With respect to Wayland replacing X, I agree, it probably will as long as it doesn't target too different a use-case then X. Currently X has all sorts of features that I don't use on my laptop, but if X is replaced without those features it is likely that both systems will remain and be sort of compatible ala X on OS X. So even though I may not use X's more esoteric features, it is still important to me that its replacement has them so that we can completely replace X. Otherwise, lets fix X's performance for the single user systems and keep its features. We don't need two competing and supported windowing systems to choose between even if they are compatible. That is more bloated and cumbersome that anyone could ever claim that X is.

Edited 2010-11-06 23:12 UTC

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RE: fragmentation
by phoenix on Sun 7th Nov 2010 01:19 in reply to "fragmentation"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

My primary concern with this is further desktop fragmentation, we have had GNOME and KDE along with a slew of other toolkits for a long time but they at least have all had X as a common underlayer. If switching to Wayland causes developers to further choose between X and Wayland (which in many cases it appears it will) then we will have further, and more fundamental, fragmentation than we already do especially if Wayland doesn't replace all of X's features e.g. network transparency, leaving X as a competitor as opposed to replacing it.


If Wayland does take off, and replace Xorg on Linux, it will cause a schism between Linux-based OSes, and non-Linux-based OSes.

It's already starting with all the Linux-kernel-only features going into Xorg (GEM, KMS, etc) splitting Xorg support between Linux and non-Linux systems.

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