Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 8th Nov 2010 22:38 UTC
Internet & Networking "Last week, critics hammered Adobe over a report showing that Flash drained the new MacBook Air's battery life by several hours. It's not the first time Adobe has been in fisticuffs with Apple: the companies have been duking it out ever since Steve Jobs began ridiculing Flash and touting its alleged-killer, HTML5. Today, in an interview with Fast Company, Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch answered critics who might say HTML5 is somehow more efficient than Flash."
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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by melgross on Tue 9th Nov 2010 02:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
melgross
Member since:
2005-08-12

The big difference between Apple and Adobe is that Apple has an OS, hardware sales, and media sales as well, while Adobe only has its software.

Obviously, both companies are looking to what is better for themselves. Should we expect anything else? I don't think so. And if we should say that open source is different, it's not. We see these same kinds of conflicts in the open source community.

Adobe is trying to sell tools to write Flash Ads, pages, deliver video etc. It's where they make their money. And we might notice that only they can write the tools or a Flash plug-in or player. That's pretty controlling.

Jobs gave Adobe notice before the iPhone went on sale almost 4 years ago now, that Flash would only appear on the phone when it worked properly. Adobe said, confidently, that they would have it in a few months. "It's easy", they said. 4 years later, and it's just on a small handful of phones, and still doesn't work as well as it should.

Apple is interested in protecting what they see is the performance of their products. Adobe wants to get the software on all products. Who is right?

It seems to me that the major function of flash on small mobile devices is to present video. Flash enabled sites are far less useful on phones, and even tablets. Flash Ads, well, I think we all feel the same way about that! I'd rather not have my phone burdened with them.

But for video, HTML 5 is catching up. 54% of all video is now on HTML 5, as opposed to 16% just 6 months ago. Do we doubt that 6 months from now HTML 5 will pretty much have caught up with Flash? Flash has been at about 75% for ages, and it's not going to get higher.

So when HTML 5 catches up, will most people care about flash on their phones?

Even a powerful tablet like the new Samsung Galaxy functions poorly when Flash is on, and much better with it off, which shows that this has nothing to do with Apple, but rather Adobe, and the technology in general.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptop...

That isn't the only galaxy review that states this about Flash on the device.

I know I won't be the only one to be happy to completely say goodbye to Flash someday.

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RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by nt_jerkface on Tue 9th Nov 2010 04:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

But for video, HTML 5 is catching up. 54% of all video is now on HTML 5, as opposed to 16% just 6 months ago. Do we doubt that 6 months from now HTML 5 will pretty much have caught up with Flash? Flash has been at about 75% for ages, and it's not going to get higher.


That is obviously a skewed stat due to the amount of video that youtube provides. However Google uses Flash for video rentals which says enough.

Flash isn't going anywhere and I say this as a longtime Flash hater. It has a 97% install base and some key advantages over HTML5 video like DRM and layered advertising.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

What do you mean by layered advertising? You should be able to do a youtube styled ad hover in front of the main video with an ad in html 5.

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RE[4]: Comment by kaiwai
by dvhh on Tue 9th Nov 2010 13:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

maybe you can blame it on designer clocking their flash at 120 fps (!!!) or 60fps in the best case to try to squeeze the fluidest experience possible when only 30-10 fps would be sufficient.
Some of the HTML5 experiment easily fire up the processor fan for me, and make my old laptop crawl.

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