Linked by Kaj-de-Vos on Mon 8th Nov 2010 22:37 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS The latest version of the REBOL 3 open host kit, alpha 110, enables Syllable Desktop for the first time to run the REBOL 3 client/server RebDev collaboration application for chat and development files sharing (screenshot).
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RE: Comment by philcostin
by cipri on Tue 9th Nov 2010 21:41 UTC in reply to "Comment by philcostin"
cipri
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2007-02-15

i guess you are not wrong. Most of the so called "ports" are in most cases nothing more than the commands ./configure; make;make install; (and perhaps also other little adjustments). Nothing substantial has been done for syllable desktop in the last few years.

If you look at the sourcecode of syllable, nearly nothing has changed in the last years. Perhaps that's also an reason why no new version of syllable desktop was released since about 18 month, and the version before need also about 18 month (anyway more than a year, i'm sure). And it was planned to make syllable desktop release every 3 month.
Even Syllable 0.6.6 is 18 month old, i'm quite sure, that they will still not release 0.6.7 soon. I could bet that this time it will take more than 24 month (2 years).
Another ex-developer of syllable said once as a supposition: "0.6.7 will never come out".

And related to Rebol. The plans of the "co-leader" with Rebol on syllable, where one of the reasons, why at a certain time, most of the developers leaved syllable (some of the officially, others quietly without saying one word).

I liked to play with Rebol 2, I did some nice applications, but when I saw that Rebol 3 delayed for years, it became too lost my passion for it.
I remember last years, after a lot of delays, it was said: "at about christmas, we could have the R3 release, but i don't promise anything". Since than one year pasted, and it's still in alpha phase.

When is it not very visible what kind of license R3 has.

I think it would be a good idea, to ignore Rebol, till it will be really open source (GPL, BSD, MIT, or something like that). I must admit i don't know what license R3 has, but i guess it's still a quite restrictive one.

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RE[2]: Comment by philcostin
by Kaj-de-Vos on Tue 9th Nov 2010 21:56 in reply to "RE: Comment by philcostin"
Kaj-de-Vos Member since:
2010-06-09

You forgot your usual complaint that Syllable is dead because there are no responses to OSNews articles.

Edited 2010-11-09 22:02 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by philcostin
by cipri on Tue 9th Nov 2010 22:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by philcostin"
cipri Member since:
2007-02-15

yes, i must admit this news about R3, is a success for syllable. Too bad, that such news, you have just once every few years.

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RE[2]: Comment by philcostin
by henrikmk on Wed 10th Nov 2010 12:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by philcostin"
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2005-07-10

When is it not very visible what kind of license R3 has.

I think it would be a good idea, to ignore Rebol, till it will be really open source (GPL, BSD, MIT, or something like that). I must admit i don't know what license R3 has, but i guess it's still a quite restrictive one.


The license for REBOL 3 so far states:

- The core is closed and stays closed to exert maximum control of the language. There is going to be an escrow license available to make sources available to specific people/companies, in case REBOL Technologies goes belly up.

- The rest around the core is open sourced using the BSD/MIT license. This is the part that was also entirely closed in REBOL 2. Having this open, means that 3rd party users can port and are porting REBOL 3 to other OSes themselves. This also makes extensions possible, where you had to pay for these before.

I don't have a formal license text available.

Also I suspect that REBOL 3 will be a free (gratis) product, because everything you had to pay for in REBOL 2, can be done with extensions by a 3rd party in REBOL 3.

The SDK (so you can build closed executables) will likely cost money, but I'm not sure.

This gives an overview of what is open and closed:

http://www.rebol.com/rebol3/architecture.html

Edited 2010-11-10 12:19 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by philcostin
by Kaj-de-Vos on Wed 10th Nov 2010 15:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by philcostin"
Kaj-de-Vos Member since:
2010-06-09

REBOL 3 is already a gratis product, like REBOL 2. It says so at the bottom of the host kit link in my article:

"For the binary, you can freely publish and use REBOL 3 for commercial and non-commercial uses."

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