Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Nov 2010 22:24 UTC, submitted by koki
GNU, GPL, Open Source Now this is interesting. We see what is at its core a very valid concern, in practice not a problem to anyone, and, thanks to the tone of the press release, close to trolling. The Free Software Foundation Latin America is complaining about something that has been known for a while - there is some non-Free code stuck in the Linux kernel (mostly firmware). A valid issue of concern from an idealogical viewpoint, but sadly, the tone of the press release turns this valid concern into something close to trolling.
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No, I think it's just because you are a typical douchebag who relies on ad hominem attacks because you have no real arguments.

Were you being serious? I was sort of joking with that last line, but you are essentially calling yourself a douchebag too, since you are resorting to an ad hominem attack ;)

My argument (I wasn't arguing by the way, I was pointing out something funny) was that linus has said he doesn't care about the ideology of the FSF, especially in regards to the linux project, several times and quite publicly. If the leader of project explicitly says he doesn't care about what you stand for, it is sort of funny when you turn around and make a big deal over something that indicates that the linux project doesn't really care about what you stand for.

My argument against the FSF in a more general way is that they are the George Bush of the software world. The like to use highly emotionally charged language that isn't really appropriate in order to pretend what they are doing is more important then it actually is. Nelson Mandela stands for freedom, Mahatma Gandhi stood for freedom, the FSF stands for source code being available to everyone, and calling that freedom is inappropriate and insulting to say the least.

I did feel a little bad about that comment, thank you for providing me the opportunity to elaborate.

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Valhalla Member since:

Were you being serious? I was sort of joking with that last line, but you are essentially calling yourself a douchebag too, since you are resorting to an ad hominem attack ;)

I figured you would say that, but I figured you should take what you dish once in a while, and I will continue to do so in this post.

You have systematically posted that (admittedly gross) link whenever FSF has come up, which has absolutely no bearing on what he says or any relevance to the subjects whatsoever.

It's like trying to question the german football coach's knowledge of the game because he ate a booger infront of millions on live tv during the world cup.

Instead of arguing you are trying to discredit him by saying 'look! he ate some shit off his foot, don't listen to him!'. It's really spineless and I think you should try and grow a pair instead.

I totally disagree with RMS claims that proprietary code is unethical, I also very much disagree with the use of the word 'freedom' when what it describes is 'rights'. And I will ARGUE against those things, I will not however, make fun of his person in an attempt to diminish his arguments because I don't like them. That's pure cowardice.

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Dude, I literally posted that _one_ other time on this forum, and it was in the context of talking with werecatf about how much we dislike the man.

On the other hand, that second paragraph you will find in various shapes and forms in my posts here over the last few years. I have yet to have anyone challenge it in any way other then saying "I disagree" with nothing else to back it up.

I'll admit though, this time it was totally out of context (hell, right after I admitted to trolling). But posting something once out of context is not systematic.

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