Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Nov 2010 22:24 UTC, submitted by koki
GNU, GPL, Open Source Now this is interesting. We see what is at its core a very valid concern, in practice not a problem to anyone, and, thanks to the tone of the press release, close to trolling. The Free Software Foundation Latin America is complaining about something that has been known for a while - there is some non-Free code stuck in the Linux kernel (mostly firmware). A valid issue of concern from an idealogical viewpoint, but sadly, the tone of the press release turns this valid concern into something close to trolling.
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RE[2]: Clueless
by darknexus on Wed 10th Nov 2010 05:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Clueless"
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Exactly. It's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing.

Not looking to provide flame bate (though this will probably be interpreted as such by some) but doesn't that pretty much describe the FSF these days? There was a time when the FSF, and those involved with it, contributed a lot of valuable things to the F/OSS landscape. Is that time past? All I see from them now is new licenses and complaints when people don't follow what the FSF thinks they should be doing. Quite frankly, I find them annoying. Do they do anything productive these days? That's a genuine question, I'd really like to know since all I see from them lately is bitching and moaning about one thing or another.

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RE[3]: Clueless
by gnufreex on Thu 11th Nov 2010 04:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Clueless"
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The guy that wrote this announcement, Alexandre Oliva, is maintainer of Linux-libre, GCC developer, and Red Hat employee. He does lot of things.

As for FSF in general, they do lot of things too. Reason why you don't know about it is the fact that they don't brag like some. They don't rename operating systems to their firs names, they don't name VCS after themselves, they don't re-brand other people's work. Usually their work get re-branded by others, and that is reason you don't hear about them. Also, they don't claim they are Gods and they don't hold trademarks on names of programs they write. Guess who does all of the above?

FSF only raises issue when there is something critical for all users. They try to protect your freedom. You don't know how free firmware is important until you have a device that doesn't work and mfr tells you that they don't care. But no good deed goes unpunished, so those who defend your freedom get called whiners. But announcement was not trolling. Next release of Linux kernel will have firmware clearly separated, and I think this has to do with this announcement. It would make job easier for Linux-Libre folks, since non-free firmware will be easier to locate and rewrite. Somebody has to do that stuff, or some day mfrs might decide to enforce copyrights on firmware against GNU/Linux, and then Linux kernel will have no hardware support. Then you feel sorry that you bashed people who tried to help. But it will be too late. It is really easy to be "moderate" or "pragmatist" when you know there is someone else to take a hard line and do dirty job, no matter what you say. Without people like RMS and Alexandre Oliva, we wouldn't discuss about free firmware now. We would be running everything proprietary, and maybe even lack right to read:

Btw, I am not trolling. If I am, then I got trolled into trolling :-)

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