Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Nov 2010 22:35 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Fedora Core Well, what do we have here? It turns out that Ubuntu isn't the only Linux distribution who took a left turn off the X.org highway, now driving on a road that will eventually lead to replacing X.org with Wayland. Fedora's 'graphics cabal', as they call themselves, have explained themselves on Fedora's devel mailing list. They also explain how network transparency can be added to Wayland in a number of different ways, making the mailing list thread intriguing reading material. Also, everybody happy with the headline? No panties in twists this time around...?
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RE[5]: Not shocking
by bouhko on Sat 13th Nov 2010 15:33 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not shocking"
bouhko
Member since:
2010-06-24

You realize that the guy who started Wayland - Kristian Høgsberg - has been working on X[1] on a daily basis for some time ?

Reading the initial mail, the guys pushing for Wayland in Fedora include David Airlie[2], who is working on the open source radeon drivers. Adam Jackons (ajax)[3] is also one of them and he has also been working on various X stuff for a long time.

Not to say that you should necessarily share their opinions because they are working on X. But they probably have *very good* reasons to push for a replacement to the software they've been working on for years.
And if they say that the X protocol has drawbacks (multiple communications for a single mouse event, unavoidable flickering and so on), they probably don't just made it up... they've been working on it for years.

[1] His nickname is "krh" : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/
[2] http://airlied.livejournal.com/
[3] http://people.freedesktop.org/~ajax/

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RE[6]: Not shocking
by tylerdurden on Sat 13th Nov 2010 23:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Not shocking"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

I understand where they are coming from, I simply disagree that starting from scratch and reinventing the wheel over again is the best approach.


BTW, this is not the first time that "someone working on X daily" has decided that X is brain dead and knows exactly how to fix things with an alternative, which eventually... goes... nowhere.

I have seen this movie before.

Edited 2010-11-13 23:13 UTC

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RE[7]: Not shocking
by airlied on Sun 14th Nov 2010 06:10 in reply to "RE[6]: Not shocking"
airlied Member since:
2008-05-15

[citation needed]

/me wonders which full-time X developers did this.

In this case you haven't seen shit, you are talking about not just one X developer, you are talking about the main contributors to X development. The people who realised we needed to change years ago, instigated projects like KMS and GEM/TTM drivers, in order to create an alternative to the X stack in the future.

We aren't mouthpieces like spaceboy, we are the people in the trenches, we just don't come out spewing unrealistic timelines, wayland is in the future, but when the future becomes current is anyones guess.

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RE[6]: Not shocking
by sorpigal on Mon 15th Nov 2010 19:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Not shocking"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

I have no problem with X developers talking about what's wrong with X and what we'll do about it. X will not and should not last forever; the time for change has certainly come. The new system needs to be well planned and considered such that it can last another 20 years, but presuming that this is done I have no problems with it.

What I don't like are people who are not X hackers and who know nothing about its history and function declaring that X is dead and hailing the great savior Wayland, as if all things they perceive as wrong with Linux desktop environments will magically disappear when Wayland descends from the heavens.

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RE[7]: Not shocking
by boldingd on Mon 15th Nov 2010 22:41 in reply to "RE[6]: Not shocking"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

What I don't like are people who are not X hackers and who know nothing about its history and function declaring that X is dead and hailing the great savior Wayland, as if all things they perceive as wrong with Linux desktop environments will magically disappear when Wayland descends from the heavens.


I can't mod you up enough.

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RE[7]: Not shocking
by abraxas on Tue 16th Nov 2010 01:41 in reply to "RE[6]: Not shocking"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

What I don't like are people who are not X hackers and who know nothing about its history and function declaring that X is dead and hailing the great savior Wayland, as if all things they perceive as wrong with Linux desktop environments will magically disappear when Wayland descends from the heavens.


This has happened before...many times. I remember when DirectFB was going to be the next big thing and it would solve all of our problems. Then it was "Y" and other small projects that faded into oblivion. Now it's Wayland. Wayland certainly has a better chance, given its progenitors but it is still a long, long way off before it even has the potential to overtake X. By then X may have evolved into a very different beast, and/or Wayland may become insufficient for future needs.

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