Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Nov 2010 16:44 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless ...and finally it pays off for OSNews to have a Dutch editor. Yes, I knew this glorious day would one day be upon us, the day upon which the rest of the technology world would be struggling with Google Translate to decipher a Dutch article with news in it. But not for OSNews, oh no! Anyway, Steve Wozniak, Apple founder and still technically an employee, gave an interview to a Dutch newspaper (the worst we have, but still) in which he made some interesting remarks. Update: Told you it's the worst newspaper we have.
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RE: We'll see..
by someguy10 on Fri 19th Nov 2010 01:53 UTC in reply to "We'll see.."
someguy10
Member since:
2007-08-01

Actually, iPhone is a joke compared to Android: closed, crippled and feeling outdated with each new Android device.

Apple has already lost the sales & market share battle against Android. And this is only the beginning.

Mac Vs Windows history anyone?. Heh, "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It" ^^.

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RE[2]: We'll see..
by nt_jerkface on Fri 19th Nov 2010 03:26 in reply to "RE: We'll see.."
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Feeling outdated? How can that be when the Android interface is a clone of the iphone?

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RE[3]: We'll see..
by molnarcs on Fri 19th Nov 2010 07:28 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see.."
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

That's like saying that iOS interface is a clone of Symbian - have you ever had a modern Android device? The interface is different. Obviously, both being touch enabled small form factor devices, they share a number of common things. Tap an icon to launch an application. Change homescreens via swiping the screen - there aren't that many ways to do that. Similarly, once you launch the drawer, you scroll up and down via swiping on the screen, another example for sth that can't be done in too many ways. But my Nexus One interface UI has very little in common with an iPhone.


For starts, I mostly have widgets on my main homescreen, last I checked, iOS has no widget support. I have icons of the apps I use the most on the screen to the left, more widgets with different functionalities on the right. App switching is different, the scroll-down status bar (with added functionalities in cyanogenmod like quickly switching wifi, data, 2g/3g, etc.) is something the iPhone does not have. Folders, were recently added to iOS, Android had them for a while.

Anyway, the point is, that the android=iOS clone is a tired meme, and it's bullshit. One thing that sets them apart is that Android is far more configurable. Some vendors (Samsung comes to mind) chose to imitate the iOS look and feel, others have their own thing (HTC Sense is a fine example, had functionalities/features way before they were added to iOS - I had a HTC Touch HD with Sense UI previously, and that's a two year old model). Vanilla Android will look and work the way you want it to. I guess with some work you can get it to work similarly to the iOS interface, but that's a far cry from being a clone.

Edited 2010-11-19 07:30 UTC

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RE[2]: We'll see..
by viton on Fri 19th Nov 2010 12:35 in reply to "RE: We'll see.."
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

Are you blind or your post is full of sarcasm?
Android so far provide inferior experience.
Android is WinMobile Next and intended for WinMobile users - they're used to slow, lagging devices. Devices for masochists.

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RE[2]: We'll see..
by apoclypse on Fri 19th Nov 2010 13:36 in reply to "RE: We'll see.."
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Actually, iPhone is a joke compared to Android: closed, crippled and feeling outdated with each new Android device.

Apple has already lost the sales & market share battle against Android. And this is only the beginning.

Mac Vs Windows history anyone?. Heh, "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It" ^^.


Just like the Mac vs PC, Apple is still raking in more dough than most of the OEMs shipping windows, selling far less product and to top it off Apple has more influence which is surprising considering how small heir market share is. Apple doesn't care about market share, that should be clear to anyone by now, they care about money and that they have in spades. Steve said as much in the earnings call. If Apple were really about market share they would drop the price of the device to bargain bin levels, put it on every carrier, and compromise the iOS platform to allow carrier apps on the device. They haven't done that. They could have doen that when the phone was released and have a version on every network. They stuck to GSM. Android is most likely going to get all the market share, but what does that mean? None of the individual OEMs will have Apple's market share and most likely won't be making as much money as Apple and will have to cede control to the carriers of their OS update process, or allow carriers to create their own Android variant that they install on all phones with locked features and marketplaces. On top of that these OEMs are hell bent on saturating the market by releasing phone after phone every six months basically fragmenting the platform as its hard for developers to hit the maximum target and still deliver a forward thinking product. It's a worse situation than even Windows, imo. Basically the situation reminds me a lot of the distroland issue with Linux where there are subtle to significant differences between distros that affect who developers target, especially commercial developers who can't or won't just give their source away.

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RE[2]: We'll see..
by polaris20 on Fri 19th Nov 2010 21:41 in reply to "RE: We'll see.."
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

Actually, iPhone is a joke compared to Android: closed, crippled and feeling outdated with each new Android device.

Apple has already lost the sales & market share battle against Android. And this is only the beginning.

Mac Vs Windows history anyone?. Heh, "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It" ^^.


I see you're an expert at stating opinion as fact. Here's my opinion; having had a Droid since launch, a first gen iPod touch, and now a 4th gen iPT, and a Samsung Galaxy S: Android is frustrating, unrefined, and unstable compared to iOS. Additionally, the apps are generally of lower quality.

For the average user not looking to re-compile this and that, Android is only open if you're an OEM, who then apparently feels obligated to throw shitty UI after shitty UI on it in a failed attempt to brand the phone. Blur, Sense, and whatever the hell is on Samsung stuff is just unnecessary.

Furthermore, for all the crap iOS has gotten for security, Android is even worse, and Google doesn't seem to be all that interested in hurrying up and fixing the holes.

Lastly, I don't think Apple really gives two squirts about market share, for phones or computers, since they make more money than any single vendor of Android or Windows out there.

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RE[3]: We'll see..
by Shkaba on Fri 19th Nov 2010 22:31 in reply to "RE[2]: We'll see.."
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

iPhone is a piece of crap, and apple is a bunch of lying scumbags led by an egomaniac! That is my opinion, and I am entitled to have one. You might disagree with it which is fine as long as you don’t try to convince me that it actually “just works”, cause it doesn’t, or that it is a viable commercial development platform, cause it isn’t, or that someone else should think instead of me, cause then I might just loose it. Some idiots here equate apple’s financial results with the quality of their product/service … which would then imply that Philip Morris has also good product/services, same could be said for Pablo Escobar, and so on. Idiots! That only means that median intelligence of modern consumer is well below what used to be average and are willing to part with huge amount of money for a shiny piece of crap.

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