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NetBSD Another version of the extremely portable unix-like operating system NetBSD was released today. This release fixes many security issues and bugs. It also includes a good amount of new features. Please read the announcement here.
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Unix-like??
by dylansmrjones on Sat 20th Nov 2010 00:08 UTC
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Member since:
2005-10-02

Well, all the *BSD's are Unicen, at least genetically, if not certified ones.

Mostly security fixes in this one, but downloading none-the-less. Wonder if I should replace my Ubuntu test-installation* with NetBSD? How well does the proprietary ATI-driver work on NetBSD?

* Don't worry - I'm using gentoo as my primary system.

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RE: Unix-like??
by Drumhellar on Sat 20th Nov 2010 02:26 in reply to "Unix-like??"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

So far as I know, there is no binary driver option for ATI or nVidia cards for NetBSD. Driver support is limited to what's available in Xorg.

FreeBSD has an official nVidia driver, however.

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RE: Unix-like??
by brynet on Sat 20th Nov 2010 02:59 in reply to "Unix-like??"
brynet Member since:
2010-03-02

It's a legal technicality, you can't refer to an OS as Unix as that's a certification which costs money.

Indeed the various free BSD projects are based on 386BSD(4.3BSD) and 4.4BSD, which have been the basis for many certified commercial Unix systems today.

Unix-like isn't an insult really, BSD is still probably more Unix-like than most Linux distributions today.

As for driver compatibility, the most popular project is FreeBSD and as such any proprietary binary-only drivers released tend to be exclusively for FreeBSD.

There is no binary/ABI compatibility for BSD drivers, source compatibility isn't even guaranteed at that level.. fortunately porting source code is more of a likelihood, because of shared heritage (..but they have all diverged considerably).

Open source Xorg/DRM+DRI/Mesa drivers have improved considerably over the years, and the performance is far from terrible.

nVidia officially recommends the "vesa" framebuffer if their blob is unavailable.. like on OpenBSD/NetBSD.

Edited 2010-11-20 03:00 UTC

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RE[2]: Unix-like??
by danieldk on Sat 20th Nov 2010 09:52 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Really? I haven't used NetBSD in recent years, but there used to be the "nv" driver which provided excellent 2D performance.

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v RE: Unix-like??
by dvzt on Sat 20th Nov 2010 11:13 in reply to "Unix-like??"
RE[2]: Unix-like??
by Dubhthach on Sat 20th Nov 2010 16:20 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
Dubhthach Member since:
2006-01-12

By your logic, Tru64 isn't Unix then.


Tru64 is certified as Unix98 compliant by the opengroup.
http://www.opengroup.org/public/prods/brand2700.htm

Edited 2010-11-20 16:31 UTC

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RE[2]: Unix-like??
by dylansmrjones on Sat 20th Nov 2010 22:55 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

By your logic, Tru64 isn't Unix then.


Huh? I didn't state that certified Unix wasn't Unix. The only thing you can say by my logic is that any descendant of Unix is Unix. Tru64 is obviously Unix. Genetically as well as certified. That said I don't consider all certified Unicen for Unix. OS X is not Unix in my mind, even though it is certified Unix. Compatibility layers are not enough for me ;)


Why worry? Ubuntu is much better then Gentoo - by normal standards of course.


Define normal. Ubuntu is good for beginners coming from Windows, but the build system is horribly broken (evolution-sharp does not compile at all in newer Ubuntu's - unlike the situation in other distributions). Below the surface Ubuntu is an ugly mess.

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RE[2]: Unix-like??
by aliquis on Sat 20th Nov 2010 23:38 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Just because he think BSD is UNIX doesn't mean something else can't be.

And seriously, even though Linux lack heritage it wouldn't be much of a stretch to include that either.

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RE: Unix-like??
by rezzonico on Sun 21st Nov 2010 00:33 in reply to "Unix-like??"
rezzonico Member since:
2007-06-13

You can try searching "jibbed livecd"

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RE[2]: Unix-like??
by dylansmrjones on Sun 21st Nov 2010 00:42 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Thank you.

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RE[2]: live CD
by jessesmith on Sun 21st Nov 2010 00:55 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
jessesmith Member since:
2010-03-11

The live CD can be found at jibbed.org.
It's a pretty good live disc for testing NetBSD.

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RE: Unix-like??
by Phucked on Sun 21st Nov 2010 01:05 in reply to "Unix-like??"
Phucked Member since:
2008-09-24

Yes Unix-like

*BSD are no more Unix than my Windows system with cygwin.

Edited 2010-11-21 01:05 UTC

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RE[2]: Unix-like??
by Oliver on Sun 21st Nov 2010 19:07 in reply to "RE: Unix-like??"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

You're mixing up the trademark with the operating system. *BSD evolved from original UNIX, that's a fact. It's sometimes hard to find some direct genetic links to someones anchestors, but this doesn't change the relationship at all, if there are other proofs.

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