Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 27th Nov 2010 10:46 UTC
Legal The US is really ramping up its war on intellectual property infringement, a war which I'm sure will be just as successful, cheap and supported by the people as the wars on drugs and terrorism. The US has started seizing the domain names of various websites through ICANN - not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them. Anyone want to take a guess how long it will be before the US government blocks WikiLeaks? Update: The blocks function outside of the US too. In other words, the US is forcing its views upon the rest of the world once again.
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Comment by Sausage
by Sausage on Sat 27th Nov 2010 15:02 UTC
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2010-11-27

But it IS illegal to upload illegal content within the US. Whether it is legal to download in Netherlands is irrelevant; they have already broken US law by uploading and/or hosting it in the first place. The legallity of an act in another country does not cancel out the illegality of the act conducted here. I could care less if you download illegal content in the Netherlands; if its from a US site though, that site is going to get hammered for it.

As far as whether they are guilty or not... the court will decide. I believe in allowing law enforcement to do their job, which includes prevention and investigation of potentially illegal activities. They thought the website was doing illegal things, a court agreed with the evidence and signed the warrant, and the website was seized. Now its a judicial matter and both sides can argue their case. Maybe they will win, maybe they won't. With the particular site in question, maybe a conspiracy charge? I don't know. None of us have access to the particular case files. You are right in that telling someone something that is more or less common knowledge and not making any overt actions beyond that isn't illegal, but, in your example, people coming to you specifically becuase you know "the guy" to buy weed from and can take them to him is facilitating a criminal act, and that IS illegal.

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RE: Comment by Sausage
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 27th Nov 2010 15:07 in reply to "Comment by Sausage"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Some sites were closed off WITHOUT even a notice or a court order. How would you like it if the police seized all your belongings, without notice, without a court order?

Apparently, you are a-okay with such actions. I suggest you move to China or North Korea, you'll feel right at home there.

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RE[2]: Comment by Sausage
by flyingrobots on Sat 27th Nov 2010 15:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by Sausage"
flyingrobots Member since:
2010-09-30

There was a court order. They received a warrant from a district court and proceeded with executing that order.

Folks, when people steal other peoples stuff, it needs to be dealt with, or we have anarchy. How would you like to spend your whole life working on your talents, finally be able to produce stuff that people want and then not be able to charge for it. That's wrong, and what the torrent nerds are doing is wrong.

I'm happy to see some enforcement of the law, and am happy to see it being done the right way.

Now with that said, what does concern me are the vast number of agencies and the searches and seizures that occur without probable cause and without a warrant (TSA airport screening). This is very troublesome. It is as if the idea of a Representative Republic exists in name only. This TSA has no accountability to the law and the 4th amendment. This is a problem and a serious one. And this kind of power needs to be checked and challenged.

We need the law and the enforcement of the law. We cannot have anarchy, but we also cannot have a dictatorship either.

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