Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Dec 2010 22:45 UTC
In the News And so the Wikileaks saga continues - with politics once again crossing with the technology side of things. After several DDoS attacks on Wikileaks' website, the organisation decided to move their website over to Amazon's cloud service yesterday. Today, Amazon kicked Wikileaks out of its cloud after being pressured by US Congress. Update: [Kroc] In a Q&A on the Guardian website, Julian Assange drops the bomb--Amazon failed the test: "Since 2007 we have been deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we suspected suffered a free speech deficit inorder to separate rhetoric from reality. Amazon was one of these cases.". Stunning.
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Wikileaks Stupidity!
by Devi1903 on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 05:08 UTC
Devi1903
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2009-11-05

Wikileaks has shown sheer stupidity in this matter! It is one thing to leak videos or crimes, of soldiers gunning people down and of illegal operations. However it is sheer stupidity to leak confidential information and conversations between diplomats, that no one needs to know. Leaking comments made by diplomats regarding other diplomats that are currently under taking illegal actions is stupid. The comments about Korea by China and the comments about Zimbabwe by South Africa are all well grounded and within reason give the situations that were faced. But to publish them to the world and tell Korea and Zimbabwe (who have both partaken in illegal actions and extensive infringement of human rights) what is being said about them is stupidity!

Whats next? Publishing of legal military operations against enemies before they take place? Leaking of private discussions between diplomats during peace talks that results in them breaking down!?

I have no problem with how wikileaks initially started. And exposing the wrongs of government is very important. However endangering lives and potentially breaking down peace by publishing material they could have kept to themselves is stupid!

WIKILEAKS YOU HAVE TAKEN IT TOO FAR!!!!!!

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RE: Wikileaks Stupidity!
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 05:16 in reply to "Wikileaks Stupidity!"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Three million people already had access tothese documents.

They weren't secret to begin with.

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RE[2]: Wikileaks Stupidity!
by vodoomoth on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 09:37 in reply to "RE: Wikileaks Stupidity!"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

Three million people already had access tothese documents.

They weren't secret to begin with.

So why bother to expose them?

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RE: Wikileaks Stupidity!
by vodoomoth on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 10:02 in reply to "Wikileaks Stupidity!"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

I second you as this is what I have been thinking about this whole matter. Exposing videos of crimes and illegal operations is different from leaking diplomatic messages!

Some things are meant to remain secret and prior to that Wikileaks publication, I don't think anyone sane had a problem with diplomacy and the double language it involves.

According to one of the comments, Assange said "You have to start with the truth. The truth is the only way that we can get anywhere. Because any decision-making that is based upon lies or ignorance can't lead to a good conclusion." True. But how does the leaking of diplomatic messages affect the decision-making of Wikileaks' target audience? Nobody supporting him in this matter (to the point of nominating him for the Pullitzer price) ever explained what benefit this specific leak brought and to who. My life didn't change and I'm sure no OSnews reader has seen his life change due to this. So... what's the agenda? Have Ms Clinton resign as he reportedly suggested? Nobody talked about the revolting "crimes" that are being denounced either. What are those crimes exactly?

Some things are better left secret. That's the nature of diplomacy as no one, unless deeply stupid, would be fooled about what diplomats say. That's also the point of counter-terrorism and national security agencies. Why not expose the names of undercover CIA or DGSE or MI6 or Mossad agents then?

Expose the truth, yes. Expose anything, no. I wouldn't want any husband and wife privilege violated. I wouldn't want patient and doctor confidential information revealed. I wouldn't want the identities of intelligence agencies agents published. I don't like the content of diplomatic communication disclosed. There are limits to everything, including "good intentions" for the greater number.

In the end, I am wondering if any "leak" from wikileaks ever benefited the general public. From what I can see, the only result of this specific leak was to embarrass governments. Does anyone think governments will stop their wrongdoings because of this leak? If you do, I don't even feel sorry for you.

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RE: Wikileaks Stupidity!
by SReilly on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 18:25 in reply to "Wikileaks Stupidity!"
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2006-12-28

Actually, that's not all those cables speak of. Check out the following article to see what else was uncovered:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quash...

Basically, American diplomats, under orders from the whitehouse, where told to put pressure on Spanish officials in order to have them quash a court case alleging that several members of the Bush administration where in fact guilty of war crimes, something that is pretty self evident and should have gone ahead.

So yeah, some of the stuff to come out of these leaked memos and cables are actually more than just idle gossip.

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RE[2]: Wikileaks Stupidity!
by smitty on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 19:11 in reply to "RE: Wikileaks Stupidity!"
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2005-10-13

Basically, American diplomats, under orders from the whitehouse, where told to put pressure on Spanish officials in order to have them quash a court case alleging that several members of the Bush administration where in fact guilty of war crimes, something that is pretty self evident and should have gone ahead.

Gee, American diplomats tried to avert what would have become a major international incident between two countries that are allied. What a shocker!

Now, if they had done anything illegal, like blackmailing the Spanish officials, that would be newsworthy. But doing their jobs?

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