Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:16 UTC
Internet & Networking It looks like several companies are learning what happens when you mess with the internet - and they're learning it the hard way. Several major companies have been hit by the collective powers of Anonymous after 4chan launched several distributed denial-of-service attacks. What many have been predicting for a long time now has finally happened: an actual war between the powers that be on one side, and the internet on the other. Update: PayPal has admitted their WikiLeaks snub came after pressure from the US government, and Datacell, which takes care of payments to Wikileaks, is threatening to sue MasterCard over Wikileaks' account suspension. Update II: Visa.com is down due to the attack. Update III: PayPal has caved under the pressure, and will release the funds in the WikiLeaks account.
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Hmmm
by DavidCollins on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:27 UTC
DavidCollins
Member since:
2010-03-22

"If the old world plays dirty, so should we."

Indeed. Morality has no place in this world. It's all about making ourselves as bad as the people we're fighting.

Thom, I'm dismayed by you're lack of effort to even try to keep the moral highground on this issue.

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RE: Hmmm
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:40 in reply to "Hmmm"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

David should've just offered Goliath a cup of tea, then?

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by LighthouseJ on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:54 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
LighthouseJ Member since:
2009-06-18

I'm wondering where the news about operating systems fits in to this one... oh well. mini-slashdot here we come.

It's interesting how reality is diverging from this alternate universe where Wikileaks apparently has a right to possess and disseminate others' information (aka invasion of privacy) that they want.
You can't wrap yourself in a warm cloak of freedom of information, which others that support Wikileaks, if it's not your information in the first place.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by panzi on Wed 8th Dec 2010 13:40 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
panzi Member since:
2006-01-22

Well, David was a horrible person. Decimating and enslaving other nations and killing people as a present to his father-in-law, these are not the deeds of a good man. By today's standards he would be a war criminal. I don't think David even tried the diplomatic approach.

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RE: Hmmm
by phoudoin on Wed 8th Dec 2010 13:15 in reply to "Hmmm"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

If morality has no place in this world, what's the point at trying to keep the moral highground?!

It can't be both ways.

Edited 2010-12-08 13:19 UTC

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by DavidCollins on Wed 8th Dec 2010 13:55 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
DavidCollins Member since:
2010-03-22

My first sentence was intended to be sarcastic.

You comment is yet another indication for me that sarcasm is a bad tool to use on the internet.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by Brunis on Wed 8th Dec 2010 14:00 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

If morality has no place in this world, what's the point at trying to keep the moral highground?!

It can't be both ways.


True, how will you fight knives and guns with a lifted finger!?

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RE: Hmmm
by No it isnt on Wed 8th Dec 2010 14:21 in reply to "Hmmm"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

I'm dismayed by "you're" grammar.

I'm with the internet on this.

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RE: Hmmm
by Carewolf on Wed 8th Dec 2010 16:40 in reply to "Hmmm"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

Not sure if DDos is appropiate against MasterCard, VISA or the Swedish prosecutors office. It all seems to childish.

I only see a few place where it is perfect: EveryDNS that dropped WikiLeaks fearing DDOS attacks. Now that is a perfect target. Is the fear of DDOS attacks 1000 times bigger going to make you take them back, or are you going to admit it was political pressure, huh?

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RE[2]: Hmmm - well pointed out
by jabbotts on Wed 8th Dec 2010 17:46 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Perhaps if the massive numbers of "anonymous" where to contact there local gov representatives or publicize facts showing what these companies did they'd have a more real effect. Maybe make changes rather than temporary inconveniences.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by MollyC on Thu 9th Dec 2010 06:17 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Right, so screw over the millions of people that don't give a damn about Wikileaks or Assange's crusade, and just want to connect to the internet. Yep, let's take the cyberterrorism up a nothch, that'll show 'em who has the moral high ground!! And turn the world against us in the process.

* By "us", I mean wikilieaks and their supporters, of which I am not one.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by elsewhere on Thu 9th Dec 2010 08:07 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

EveryDNS that dropped WikiLeaks fearing DDOS attacks. Now that is a perfect target. Is the fear of DDOS attacks 1000 times bigger going to make you take them back, or are you going to admit it was political pressure, huh?


EasyDNS is a free service. They weren't worried about political pressure, they were worried about their other 500,000 users. What kind of an SLA are you expecting with a free service?

Plus they gave wikileaks enough notice that they were dropping them, they had time to switch their DNS if they wanted to.

There may be pseudo-villains here, but EasyDNS isn't one of them.

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RE: Hmmm
by FresheBakked on Wed 8th Dec 2010 17:24 in reply to "Hmmm"
FresheBakked Member since:
2010-12-08

Amen, and Amen.

I'm sure that Thom would be singing a different tune if HIS site was being DDoSed for a similar reason or context.

Nice doube-standard, Thom!

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RE: Hmmm
by TheGZeus on Wed 8th Dec 2010 18:50 in reply to "Hmmm"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Yes, protest is bad.

Always use the methods set up by corrupt governments to deal with said governments.
-_-

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