Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:16 UTC
Internet & Networking It looks like several companies are learning what happens when you mess with the internet - and they're learning it the hard way. Several major companies have been hit by the collective powers of Anonymous after 4chan launched several distributed denial-of-service attacks. What many have been predicting for a long time now has finally happened: an actual war between the powers that be on one side, and the internet on the other. Update: PayPal has admitted their WikiLeaks snub came after pressure from the US government, and Datacell, which takes care of payments to Wikileaks, is threatening to sue MasterCard over Wikileaks' account suspension. Update II: Visa.com is down due to the attack. Update III: PayPal has caved under the pressure, and will release the funds in the WikiLeaks account.
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Guilty of treason
by Noremacam on Wed 8th Dec 2010 18:07 UTC
Noremacam
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2006-03-08

Julian Assange should get on his knees and thank God he's in the UK. If one person dies from the compromised security of any leaked document he is guilty of treason and the US constitution makes the death penalty the punishment.

These people who scream about freedom of information are immature morons who don't understand what information can cost. With information in the wrong hands people can lose lives. I have friends who have spent time on the front lines.

People who say its okay to give compromising information and endanger them I have serious problems with.

The fact that osnews supports this action begs me to abandon this site, which I expected to be agnostic to this type of nonsense.

Edited 2010-12-08 18:08 UTC

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RE: Guilty of treason
by ralph on Wed 8th Dec 2010 18:31 in reply to "Guilty of treason"
ralph Member since:
2005-07-10

J If one person dies from the compromised security of any leaked document he is guilty of treason and the US constitution makes the death penalty the punishment.


Jesus, repeat after me: Julian Assange is not a US-citizen, he cannot commit treason against the United States.

Julian Assange is not a US-citizen, he cannot commit treason against the United States.

Julian Assange is not a US-citizen, he cannot commit treason against the United States.

Julian Assange is not a US-citizen, he cannot commit treason against the United States.

Julian Assange is not a US-citizen, he cannot commit treason against the United States.



People who say its okay to give compromising information and endanger them I have serious problems with.

Who says this? Wikileaks, who have repeatedly asked the Pentagon to help them redact the documents before they are released so that nobody is harmed?

Wikileaks, who redact the documents they release working together with irresponsible organizations like the Guardian, Spiegel, El Pais and Le Monde in redacting the documents?

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RE[2]: Guilty of treason
by MollyC on Thu 9th Dec 2010 06:49 in reply to "RE: Guilty of treason"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Nice talking point (I don't know if it's true or not), but Assange is a citizen of Australia last I heard, and he's released diplomatic cables between the US and Australia, so he's committed treason against Australia, no? Or yes?

Also, Australia, New Zealand, and the US are members of ANZUS (an alliance like NATO). By undercutting the security of the US, Assange undercuts the security of ANZUS, which would be treason against Australia too. Not that Australia will charge him with treason, but might see reason to do so, depending on what he leaks.

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RE: Guilty of treason
by _txf_ on Wed 8th Dec 2010 21:43 in reply to "Guilty of treason"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

AAAAAARGH. I stopped reading your comment the moment you said treason. He is not a US citizen so he cannot be charged with treason. The fact that you're saying that:

A) means you don't know what treason is.
B) You're just repeating worthless rhetoric spewed by others.

Yes.. you're more than welcome to go away and join other sheep who cannot formulate an original thought by themselves.

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RE[2]: Guilty of treason
by Noremacam on Wed 8th Dec 2010 22:08 in reply to "RE: Guilty of treason"
Noremacam Member since:
2006-03-08

Ok first of all my original post implied being thankful he wasn't a citizen of the US. An honest read of my original post would have recognized that. Again otherwise he could be liable for the death penalty(as I believe he should be).

Secondly, why are you calling me a sheep? The information is secret for a reason. Stealing confidential documents that aren't his that are used for national security is a-ok? and only sheeple worry about it? What planet are you from? Someone is going to post illegal documents that will someday compromise security and have someone killed. If you can sleep at night with that, then I don't trust you either.

And again, this kind of vigilantism really shouldn't be part of osnews.

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RE: Guilty of treason
by lemur2 on Wed 8th Dec 2010 22:26 in reply to "Guilty of treason"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Julian Assange should get on his knees and thank God he's in the UK. If one person dies from the compromised security of any leaked document he is guilty of treason and the US constitution makes the death penalty the punishment. These people who scream about freedom of information are immature morons who don't understand what information can cost. With information in the wrong hands people can lose lives. I have friends who have spent time on the front lines. People who say its okay to give compromising information and endanger them I have serious problems with. The fact that osnews supports this action begs me to abandon this site, which I expected to be agnostic to this type of nonsense.


I think you need to read the definition of treason.

Definitions of treason on the Web: a crime that undermines the offender's government

Another definition: In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation. ...

Julian Assange is not a US citizen. Julian Assange therefore cannot commit treason against the US.

To further understand how wrong you are, you need to understand a little about Julian Assange's actual nationality.

Read up on this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

This military disaster is often considered to mark the birth of national consciousness in Australia. The campaign was ordered by the British and completely bungled by them, and it cost the lives of thousands.

Now try to understand this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/dont-shoot-messe...
IN 1958 a young Rupert Murdoch, then owner and editor of Adelaide's The News, wrote: "In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win."

His observation perhaps reflected his father Keith Murdoch's expose that Australian troops were being needlessly sacrificed by incompetent British commanders on the shores of Gallipoli. The British tried to shut him up but Keith Murdoch would not be silenced and his efforts led to the termination of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign.


The disastrous Gallipoli campaign was terminated due to information about it being reported in the press, despite the attempts of the British government to suppress the information. This is the very event that many people refer to as the birth of the consciousness of the Australian nation. It is hugely powerful, a rough equivalent would perhaps be the American war of independence.

Before Gallipoli the citizens of Australia were confident of the superiority of the British Empire and were proud and eager to offer their service. Gallipoli shook that confidence, and the next three years on the Western Front would damage it further. The ANZACs are revered as heroes, and the popular phrase 'digger' used to describe soldiers at Gallipoli has come to describe all members of the Australian armed forces, particularly members of the Army. Popular Australian history asserts that while the Federation of Australia was born in 1901, the country's true psychological independence was only achieved at Gallipoli.


Furthermore, it is all about saving the lives of thousands of Australians (had the campaign continued as the British government wanted) all through the act of disobedience to the government and the publication of information about what they were doing.

Another couple of quotes from the same article are relevant here:
Sometimes nations need to go to war, and there are just wars. But there is nothing more wrong than a government lying to its people about those wars, then asking these same citizens to put their lives and their taxes on the line for those lies. If a war is justified, then tell the truth and the people will decide whether to support it.


Every time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: "You'll risk lives! National security! You'll endanger troops!" Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both. Which is it?

It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US, with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.


Edited 2010-12-08 22:38 UTC

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RE[2]: Guilty of treason
by Noremacam on Wed 8th Dec 2010 22:35 in reply to "RE: Guilty of treason"
Noremacam Member since:
2006-03-08

Are you actually reading what I wrote? I wrote that he was in the UK. I never ever ever said he was a us citizen. Why can't you make that an honest assumption based on what I wrote? You even quoted it.

Secondly I wrote if someone dies as a result of it. An honest reading of what I wrote would've acknowledged it.

You disagreeing with wars is all fine and good; I'm not pro war myself. But I have friends who have been on the front lines. Exposing documents that can compromise their security really is distasteful to me. And visa and the rest of those companies are taking the moral high ground.

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