Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:16 UTC
Internet & Networking It looks like several companies are learning what happens when you mess with the internet - and they're learning it the hard way. Several major companies have been hit by the collective powers of Anonymous after 4chan launched several distributed denial-of-service attacks. What many have been predicting for a long time now has finally happened: an actual war between the powers that be on one side, and the internet on the other. Update: PayPal has admitted their WikiLeaks snub came after pressure from the US government, and Datacell, which takes care of payments to Wikileaks, is threatening to sue MasterCard over Wikileaks' account suspension. Update II: Visa.com is down due to the attack. Update III: PayPal has caved under the pressure, and will release the funds in the WikiLeaks account.
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sorpigal
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2005-11-02

Wake up, people. There is no group called "Anonymous" and there never was. This is just what the old-world media used as an identifier when they failed to understand what they were reporting on. I'm quite annoyed to see a supposedly savvy person such as Thom perpetuate this error.

There is no Anonymous organization. It has no agenda. There are no leaders. It's not like a cell or a cult or an agency. When you speak of anonymous as a noun you are referring to ONE person, not a group. When "Anonymous" does something it isn't a group, it is a single person. When multiple single people do something similar it isn't "Anonymous the organization" doing something it is just a bunch of unnamed people.

When an un-named tipster calls the police and tells them where a crime will be committed, it isn't the action of an organized crime-reporting group called Anonymous. If a hundred un-named tipsters prank-called the police with fake reports of where crimes would be committed, it isn't the action of an organized prank-calling group called Anonymous. In both cases the callers are anonymous.

Do I make myself clear?

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

What and Who is “Anonymous”?
http://www.thelasthope.org/media/audio/64kbps/What_and_Who_is_Anony...

Yes an unidentified entity is an "anonymous" entity. "Anonymous" is also the self chosen name for decentralized group of self-identifying individuals. It started as individuals critical of the a particular religion and has expanded.

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sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

Hah, no and no.

There is no "Anonymous" organization. There is no "Anonymous" organization. I say it twice in hopes that if nothing else you will remember this point. There are groups of people who are anonymous who talk about what "anonymous" wants and does, but these people are either (a) wannabe fakes, or (b) referring to anonymous in the singular as described in my original post. Anyone who is not an un-named person and is declaring that there is some "Anonymous" group is wrong, having no factual basis for the claim.

It did not start as individuals critical of scientology. Individuals, who were not named and tried to remain un-named, who were critical of scientology did a number of things, such as DDoS attacks, to express that. There was no group at that time, nor before that time.

However, people who are un-named and therefore anonymous did many things before the scientology stuff. It is the scientology incidents which drew enough mainstream attention that clueless reporters started referring to "Anonymous" as a group, as some kind of organization. Prior to the scientology stuff there was also no group and also still DDoSing and other activities took place. After the scientology stuff these things continue, but there remains no "Anonymous" organization.

I am not saying none of these un-named individuals talk to each other or coordinate in an 'organized' fashion. They certainly do. Suppose that one day ou and I have lunch one day and both agree that buying Google is a good idea, then the next day we both buy Google. Would it be fair to say that the You-And-Me organization is now buying Google? No. We did not formulate a plan, we did not sign up with anything, we may not even know the other person is doing anything, we are not responsible for the other's actions, neither one of us can speak for the other about what the other is doing.

Despite what you may have heard there is no Anonymous organization.

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