Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:16 UTC
Internet & Networking It looks like several companies are learning what happens when you mess with the internet - and they're learning it the hard way. Several major companies have been hit by the collective powers of Anonymous after 4chan launched several distributed denial-of-service attacks. What many have been predicting for a long time now has finally happened: an actual war between the powers that be on one side, and the internet on the other. Update: PayPal has admitted their WikiLeaks snub came after pressure from the US government, and Datacell, which takes care of payments to Wikileaks, is threatening to sue MasterCard over Wikileaks' account suspension. Update II: Visa.com is down due to the attack. Update III: PayPal has caved under the pressure, and will release the funds in the WikiLeaks account.
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RE[4]: Hmmm
by vodoomoth on Thu 9th Dec 2010 10:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hmmm"
vodoomoth
Member since:
2010-03-30

So according to this logic, US citizens (and consequently the world) should know the names of CIA agents, undercover FBI and police agents, where nuclear warheads are and how many of them there are, what weak points there are in the electricity distribution networks, etc. Why not make the nuclear codes available on simple request then?

Nobody sane would deny that Wikileaks revealing crimes or misdeeds is good. But, and this is what stalwart supporters like Thom and you don't seem to be able to understand, there's a line that should not be crossed. That line has been crossed with leaking that diplomatic communication... I still haven't seen how these cables revealed a crime. Still haven't seen how it benefits anyone. Someone, give me a concrete example.

Here's an instance of a useless cable (for those who read French, the original is at http://www.leprogres.fr/fr/france-monde/article/4247889/WikiLeaks-i...) that tells how the president was "transitively" chasing his 9 year-old son's rabbit. Translation is mine.

Louis showed up with a puppy and a rabbit in his arms. To shake the ambassador's hand, he put the rabbit on the ground and the puppy started chasing the rabbit, which led to the memorable view of the president running, bent, to catch the puppy, which was chasing the rabbit, while Louis was laughing out loud in the office".

Big crime by the US government there.


As an american citizen, I have the right to take my information and distribute it anyway I see fit. The only retribution I should fear should be that of my fellow citizens, not that of the government

That's not realistic. Juries composed of fellow citizens like you will deem you guilty in many cases. If it's not public knowledge, you have no right to release it unless it's yours. If it's public knowledge, why would you release it?

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RE[5]: Hmmm
by lemur2 on Thu 9th Dec 2010 10:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Hmmm"
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2007-02-17

I still haven't seen how these cables revealed a crime. Still haven't seen how it benefits anyone. Someone, give me a concrete example.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/assange-may-be-r...

► The US asked its diplomats to steal personal human material and information from UN officials and human rights groups, including DNA, fingerprints, iris scans, credit card numbers, internet passwords and ID photos, in violation of international treaties. Presumably Australian UN diplomats may be targeted, too.

► King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia asked the US to attack Iran.

► Officials in Jordan and Bahrain want Iran's nuclear program stopped by any means available.

► Britain's Iraq inquiry was fixed to protect "US interests".

► Sweden is a covert member of NATO and US intelligence sharing is kept from parliament.

► The US is playing hardball to get other countries to take freed detainees from Guantanamo Bay. Barack Obama agreed to meet the Slovenian President only if Slovenia took a prisoner. Our Pacific neighbour Kiribati was offered millions of dollars to accept detainees.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-mani...
WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord

Edited 2010-12-09 11:00 UTC

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RE[6]: Hmmm
by vodoomoth on Thu 9th Dec 2010 16:05 in reply to "RE[5]: Hmmm"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

Thanks again for the info. The media have been babbling about the thing without providing examples of where and how the US actions described in the leak are crimes. Except for stealing DNA information (which I am still wondering how it cool ever be of any usefulness to that gov't, but hey, I don't have their devious mind), the rest of it is not a crime by the US gov. Like
"King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia asked the US to attack Iran." or "Officials in Jordan and Bahrain want Iran's nuclear program stopped by any means available."... hardly a crime, not even by the least lenient standards.

People at Wikileaks are not the saints some have been portraying them as. I wasn't against their actions but that diplomatic thing was too much of a weight on one side of the balance (from my point of view)

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