Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 9th Dec 2010 20:16 UTC
Java "The Apache Software Foundation concludes that that JCP is not an open specification process - that Java specifications are proprietary technology that must be licensed directly from the spec lead under whatever terms the spec lead chooses; that the commercial concerns of a single entity, Oracle, will continue to seriously interfere with and bias the transparent governance of the ecosystem; that it is impossible to distribute independent implementations of JSRs under open source licenses such that users are protected from IP litigation by expert group members or the spec lead; and finally, the EC is unwilling or unable to assert the basic power of their role in the JCP governance process."
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Comment by pabloski
by pabloski on Thu 9th Dec 2010 21:25 UTC
pabloski
Member since:
2009-09-28

Very bad for java and the java ecosystem.

Now the real question is: what real alternatives are out there?

No .net is not an alternative, it is a technology encumbered by patents, copyrights, greedy corporations and so on.

What the opensource world has to effectively replace java and the jvm?

llvm?

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RE: Comment by pabloski
by -oblio- on Thu 9th Dec 2010 21:31 in reply to "Comment by pabloski"
-oblio- Member since:
2008-05-27

Hard to say, but fast implementation of VMs and programming languages and APIs is one of the strong points of OSS.

Once the trend moves towards something, that will bubble up, be it Python 3, Parrot, LLVM, V8 or something like that.

I think no one knows right now what's beyond Java, we will found out in 2-3 years I think.

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RE: Comment by pabloski
by fretinator on Thu 9th Dec 2010 22:00 in reply to "Comment by pabloski"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Ruby, PHP, Python

"NEXT! No more SOAP for you!"

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BAN SOAP AND WSDL!
by gfolkert on Thu 9th Dec 2010 22:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by pabloski"
gfolkert Member since:
2008-12-15

Stupid .NET can't consume Restful API services.

It has to use WSDL via SOAP... blah.

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RE: Comment by pabloski
by lucas_maximus on Fri 10th Dec 2010 14:47 in reply to "Comment by pabloski"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No .net is not an alternative, it is a technology encumbered by patents, copyrights, greedy corporations and so on.


Why would this matter if you are using .NET? the patents are owned by microsoft so there is no danger when using their product, will be a concern if you are using mono.

As for patents, the java specification has them to. Look at the license yourself http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/second_edition/html/jcopyright.d...

Apparently IBM, Oracle and Borland aren't greedy corps? (they are all on various Java committees).

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