Linked by Adurbe on Sun 12th Dec 2010 21:55 UTC
Internet & Networking For a number of days the websites of MasterCard, Visa, PayPal and others wre attacked by a group of WikiLeaks supporters ('hacktivists'). Although the group calls itself 'Anonymous', researchers at the DACS group of the University of Twente (UT), the Netherlands, discovered that these hacktivists are easily traceable, and therefore anything but anonymous.
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by dampfmaschinen on Sun 12th Dec 2010 22:25 UTC
dampfmaschinen
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2010-12-12

Captain Obvious to the rescue. If people get arrested, they deserve it. Not for taking part, but for being stupid.

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by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 12th Dec 2010 22:30 in reply to "Well..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yup.

The attacks themselves were a form of well-justified modern protests, but getting caught - well, that's your own fault.

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by arpan on Mon 13th Dec 2010 03:34 in reply to "RE: Well..."
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

A DOS attack depends on thousands of computers being a part of the attack right?

Arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning that many people (if they refuse to pay the fine) is going to be very expensive!

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by arpan on Mon 13th Dec 2010 07:53 in reply to "RE: Well..."
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

Isn't part of the point of protests that they are not anonymous. If thousands of people got together and broke the law and challenged the authorities to arrest them, it would have a lot more effect.

Would be a lot riskier, and actually require some bravery, but would be much much more effective.

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by MollyC on Mon 13th Dec 2010 08:57 in reply to "RE: Well..."
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Taking down sites for refusing Assange's business is well justified? How?

If I had a money-making site, I woudln't want his business either, and I shouldn't have my site taken down, thus inconveniencing me and my customers because someone thinks I should do business with Assange or anyone else.

Let's say that you banned me from this site (which is your right), and I responded with DDoS attacks on osnews.com. Would my attacks be "well justified"? Well, this is the same thing. Assange has been, in a sense, "banned" from PayPal, Amazon, VISA, Mastercard, and they shouldn't be DDoS attacked for it. They're within their rights to refuse Assange's business. (I agree that PayPal shouldn't have frozen the funds in his account, but they released those funds, and that's all the further obligation they have to Assange.)

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by fran on Mon 13th Dec 2010 11:09 in reply to "RE: Well..."
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

Why is'nt doss attacks against Paypal et al a good idea.
Under the Patriot act and other laws the US government has wide ranging laws to shut down companies that it sees is collaborating in things its perceive as illegal. Even if we don't like it.

Under these acts. the USA can also sanction banks as well and rescind their licenses to do business in the US.

If paypal and others get's paralysed by the US government thousands of people loose their jobs. Shareholders (many of them old people through unit trust) loose their money.

These companies really are between a rock an a hard place.

Romantising this as sort of justified moral protest is really throwing fuel onto fire and helping ignorant kids get into trouble.

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RE: Well...
by rexstuff on Mon 13th Dec 2010 06:14 in reply to "Well..."
rexstuff Member since:
2007-04-06

If people get arrested, they deserve it.


Woah there, Mr Police State. It's good that you have faith in the justice system, but you might want to think that one through.

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