Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Dec 2010 19:27 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Mono Project For the most time, I've been firmly in the largest camp when it comes to the Mono debate - the 'I don't care'-camp. With patent lawsuits being hotter than Lady Gaga right now, that changed. For good reason, so it seems; while firmly in the 'ZOMG-MICROSOFT-IS-T3H-EVILL!1!!ONE!'-camp, The-Source.com investigated the five most popular Mono applications, and the conclusion is clear: all of them implement a lot of namespaces which are not covered by Microsoft's community promise thing.
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Big fekkin surprise
by TheGZeus on Mon 13th Dec 2010 20:00 UTC
TheGZeus
Member since:
2010-05-19

Seriously.

Every have a conversation with a Mono developer? It's like talking to a neo-con.

"*logical argument that Mono isn't safe*"
"SHUT UP! It's the best development framework and it's safe because you suck!"
"but *patents, lawsuits etc*"
"NO! It's fine! SHUT UP! NYEEEEEH!!!!"

Yeah, whatever...

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RE: Big fekkin surprise
by somebody on Mon 13th Dec 2010 20:10 in reply to "Big fekkin surprise"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

that's utter bull.

i'm not mono developer, but it is my preferred development environment beside vala. although i'm finding my self more and more writing in vala (if only it had reflection like .Net i'd move away from .Net long ago)

in most cases, what you hear from mono developers is complete silence and avoidance or answer with question "what is safe and not patented?". last is quite true in my eyes. everyone is so loud about mono and so quiet about other problems.

java for example is being under same wagon, now with oracle haunting it? well, it fares even worse. i don't hear people abolishing java from distributions.

trouble is that you can't write 5 lines of code and not infringe some non sense patent. in my eyes, computer patents should be abolished as there is no invention, it is pure rewrite of either normal event or behaivour in some other science. we're just using computer languages to write that.

Edited 2010-12-13 20:12 UTC

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RE[2]: Big fekkin surprise
by TheGZeus on Mon 13th Dec 2010 20:14 in reply to "RE: Big fekkin surprise"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

That first line is a perfect example of the lack of self-awareness in the Mono community.

When I said "Mono dev" I meant "dev that uses Mono".

Look back at any ML/blog discussion on the subject.
Daniel Icxzzxazxca is such a waste of O₂ that it's staggering that anyone puts up with him. The people that do are just as bad.

Edited 2010-12-13 20:17 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Here's the difference between Java and Mono:

Java :

+ safe to use the language, vm, ect as long as its from an approved source ( ie Open JDK, ect).

- unsafe to use a non official implementation of the "open" standard. ( aka Harmony)

- unsafe to use parts of the a non official implementation of the open standard to create a pseudo derivative product (aka Android).

Mono :

+ safe ( from Microsoft lawsuits) to use a specific subset of the language.

+ safe to use a non official implementation of the "open" standard.

- unsafe to create a 100% Microsoft compatible implementation.


The problem no one in the mono world has even thought of is the qualifier in there: Safe from Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't own all of the patents that dot net Relies on. They paid to use Sun patents as well. So even an implementation of the open standard may be subject to lawsuits from Sun/Oracle.

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RE[2]: Big fekkin surprise
by JAlexoid on Tue 14th Dec 2010 14:35 in reply to "RE: Big fekkin surprise"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

java for example is being under same wagon


No... Java itself is definitely not in the same wagon. Ever read GPL? OpenJDK is GPL and is distributed by Oracle.
Apache Harmony is in the same wagon as Mono. In fact they are in wagon with less wheels... Harmony doesn't have even a "promise". Android is in a better position - due to the fact that Google is behind Android.

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RE: Big fekkin surprise
by nt_jerkface on Tue 14th Dec 2010 00:26 in reply to "Big fekkin surprise"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

That behavior isn't indicative of a single political group.

In Seattle I was told to shut up when I politely asked an environmentalist where she got her data on local deer populations.

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