Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Dec 2010 22:56 UTC, submitted by fran
Windows Very light on details, but this is interesting nonetheless - very interesting, and potentially one of the biggest things to have hit the operating systems business this decade. Bloomberg is reporting that Microsoft plans to announce Windows for ARM processors at CES in January 2011.
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what's the point?
by reduz on Tue 21st Dec 2010 23:34 UTC
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2006-02-25

no apps, no drivers, no devices.
This seems like a desperate move by microsoft..

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RE: what's the point?
by flanque on Tue 21st Dec 2010 23:49 in reply to "what's the point?"
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2005-12-15

Without further details we really cannot say that.

It's not as though they go at this alone then release it to hardware vendors as a suprise expecting them to then go and produce hardware / drivers, they'd be already partnering with them.

I think it's Microsoft responding to the market, which is what businesses do.

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RE: what's the point?
by perlid on Tue 21st Dec 2010 23:53 in reply to "what's the point?"
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2010-12-21

Desperate move? Would you say the same if support for a new architecture was added to Linux or *BSD? Probably not, right?
As has been demonstrated by both iOS and Android, new platforms can gain acceptance and applications fairly quickly, if they provide something people want.

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RE[2]: what's the point?
by 0brad0 on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 00:10 in reply to "RE: what's the point?"
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2007-05-05

Desperate move? Would you say the same if support for a new architecture was added to Linux or *BSD? Probably not, right?
As has been demonstrated by both iOS and Android, new platforms can gain acceptance and applications fairly quickly, if they provide something people want.


Of course not because *BSD/Linux already run on almost every CPU architecture out there. Desktop incarnations of Windows runs on exactly one. That is a desperation move and Microsoft has a lot of work cut out for them to be even remotely competitive. From a performance perspective they'll also face similar issues as they do with netbooks but even more so.

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RE: what's the point?
by adizzy on Tue 21st Dec 2010 23:58 in reply to "what's the point?"
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2007-05-29

There is some version of Silverlight for ARM which apps can be built on. Native applications can come after. And honestly, you don't want to run native x86 windows applications on a tablet.

Edited 2010-12-22 00:02 UTC

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RE[2]: what's the point?
by oiaohm on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 00:44 in reply to "RE: what's the point?"
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2009-05-30

There is some version of Silverlight for ARM which apps can be built on. Native applications can come after. And honestly, you don't want to run native x86 windows applications on a tablet.

Silverlight on arm don't make me laugh. That is more I want to see my battery disappear. Its not power aware so is not suitable for portable devices.

This is the big bagage NT carries none of its applications are designed to work in power effective envorments ie like where you are running on batteries.

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RE[2]: what's the point?
by spiderman on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 09:10 in reply to "RE: what's the point?"
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2008-10-23

Honestly you don't want to run the crapware you find on iTune or Android market on any platform either.

Edited 2010-12-22 09:11 UTC

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RE: what's the point?
by shadoweva09 on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 01:33 in reply to "what's the point?"
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2008-03-10

The app part is why they developed .net (and to compete with Java of course), technically all the should have to do is port the Compact Edition .Net framework from whatever phones it's already running on to this.

Edited 2010-12-22 01:34 UTC

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RE: what's the point?
by tanishaj on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 02:38 in reply to "what's the point?"
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2010-12-22

No devices? Seems to me that is why they are doing this. The hardware market has clearly declared ARM the platform of choice for tablets. MS wants to run on those tablets.

It seems more like a pragmatic response to the market than anything.

No applications? Well, the Win32 API is the most supported platform on earth. Many apps and libraries might work with a simple recompile. There are millions of developers with the skills to target Windows on ARM.

Microsoft may even have the chance to distribute ARM apps through an app store like Apple has done. This would be a whole new revenue stream.

No drivers? Why would a wireless card in a tablet need a different driver than the one in a laptop? Even if they have to be written, the Windows driver model is not exactly uncharted territory for hardware vendors. I bet drivers will not be a problem.

It would be a huge win for Microsoft if they could retire Windows CE and deploy a common code-base from tablets up (as Linux has done). They retired the Windows 95 code and moved everything to Windows NT (Windows 2000) when desktops became powerful enough. This could be much the same.

Remember, the NT core used to ship on x86, MIPS, PowerPC, and Alpha. Those are the ones I can remember anyway. It has run on PowerPC more recently in gaming. So, it seems like cross-platform capability has really been part of the plan for a very long time.

Also, this could be a warning shot across Intel's bow. Intel has been toying with Linux which reduces the power of the Wintel duopoly.

Microsoft using their market dominance to reduce Intel's market power long before Intel has a chance to use theirs against Microsoft is a proactive move, not a desperate one.

All-in-all, I cannot think of a reason not to do it. What exactly are they risking? Desperate moves are usually not nothing but potential upside for the party making them. What is the downside?

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