Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Dec 2010 22:56 UTC, submitted by fran
Windows Very light on details, but this is interesting nonetheless - very interesting, and potentially one of the biggest things to have hit the operating systems business this decade. Bloomberg is reporting that Microsoft plans to announce Windows for ARM processors at CES in January 2011.
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RE[2]: Not Win CE
by lucas_maximus on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 09:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Not Win CE"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Wake me when .net gets retooled to allow power effective optionals. Visual Studio is not the best IDE around for crossplatform development. That is a toss up between QT Designer Kdevelop and Eclipse.

Number of platforms Visual Studio supports is basically nothing.


Lets not forget that you can develop on Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, Zune, Xbox 360 (via XNA) and then there is the .Net Micro-framework, which can run on a wristwatch.

Anyway, the original posters point was that there are plenty of developers with relevant experience already for .Net, which will certainly be included with any ARM version of Windows.

So the development skills are already there.

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RE[3]: Not Win CE
by oiaohm on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 10:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Not Win CE"
oiaohm Member since:
2009-05-30

"Wake me when .net gets retooled to allow power effective optionals. Visual Studio is not the best IDE around for crossplatform development. That is a toss up between QT Designer Kdevelop and Eclipse.

Number of platforms Visual Studio supports is basically nothing.


Lets not forget that you can develop on Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, Zune, Xbox 360 (via XNA) and then there is the .Net Micro-framework, which can run on a wristwatch.
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Again compared to modern market basically nothing.

Qt does Windows Mobile so Kdevelop does as well. Zune is basically a dead product. Zune is basically been watered down into being a Music store for Windows Phone 7.

Xbox 360 XNA and Windows Phone 7 are basically the same platform.

Qt does iPhone applications. Qt can also be made to do Android based devices. Same code on all 3 with no alterations.

If nokia is going to support Windows Phone 7. Thinking Qt is nokia product. Windows Phone 7 better find a way of supporting QT. Notice some here. Being nokia friendly removes any reason to be developing .net applications.

Lucas_maximus sorry the say there is also a huge army of QT developers.

No the claim was not that there was plenty of .net developers out there. The claim what that Visual Studio was the best tool for cross platform development. This is clearly false.

Yes there are tones of .net developers out there. Just like there where tones of Visaul basic developers out there. When we are talking embedded you need quality not numbers. Visual Basically developers were the worst to higher for embedded work if you wanted battery live and .net developers are not much better.

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RE[4]: Not Win CE
by lucas_maximus on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 11:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Not Win CE"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No the claim was not that there was plenty of .net developers out there. The claim what that Visual Studio was the best tool for cross platform development. This is clearly false.


At no point did he claim it was. He just said it was the best development IDE ... something which I happen to agree with. Eclipse isn't anywhere near as good IMO, though it is a pretty decent IDE (some really annoying bugs), which ended up with me dropping into notepad.

I haven't used the IDE for QT so I couldn't possibly comment.

Yes there are tones of .net developers out there. Just like there where tones of Visaul basic developers out there. When we are talking embedded you need quality not numbers. Visual Basically developers were the worst to higher for embedded work if you wanted battery live and .net developers are not much better.


Just because someone develops in Visual Basic (I did because my company happen to have everything written in VB.NET) does not mean they are a crap developer.

Also could you please check your spelling and grammar in future because it is awful.

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RE[4]: Not Win CE
by Ventajou on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 16:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Not Win CE"
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2006-10-31

I didn't say that VS was the best IDE for cross platform, I said it's one of the best around. It's also highly extensible and if MS decides that it's important for VS to support something, they definitely have the ability to do it right.

I'm not sure why you have a fixation on embedded though, if you reread my original post, we know MS already have an embedded OS so if there is a big announcement then it's unlikely to be about embedded. Or it's unlikely to be a big announcement.

Also your claim about many devs vs. good devs has little backing. Think about all of the people developing for iphone or android, I doubt they are all experts about mobile development and battery friendly techniques. Yet it's the amount of apps available that's propping those two platforms to the top. It doesn't take a genius to write a fart app. If you look at android, they've achieved large speed and battery usage improvement in version 2.2 and that was an update of the system, not the apps.

Finally you seem to have a fixation on Qt and that's cool, but it seems that it's a different thing from .Net. You're talking about Nokia and all of that but MS has already released their phone OS and the development tools are already there. I see little reason for them to listen to you and migrate everything to Qt.

All I was saying is there are quite a lot of .Net developers around and it makes sense that MS would count on them to try and quickly get apps out for some hypothetical new Windows on ARM.

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RE[4]: Not Win CE
by tbcpp on Wed 22nd Dec 2010 21:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Not Win CE"
tbcpp Member since:
2006-02-06

"Qt does iPhone applications. Qt can also be made to do Android based devices."


What? That's just bogus. Qt may run on Android at somepoint, but right now it's extremely pre-alpha. I wouldn't call it "running on Android" at all.

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