Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 3rd Jan 2011 23:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless You may not have noticed it, but in the past six months, we've been experiencing a true massacre. Not one written in blood, but one written in microchips and touchscreen displays. The scene of the crime? The United States. The perpetrator? Google's Android. The victims? Everybody else.
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iPhone on Verizon
by WorknMan on Tue 4th Jan 2011 00:01 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

If iPhone comes to Verizon, I would seriously consider jumping ship from Android, depending on what features they put into Honeycomb (Android 3.0).

The reasons for this are as follows:

- I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself.

- Whereas Apple releases new OS updates for all their phones at the same time, you have to wait for weeks (or even months) on most Android phones, or else do the root/custom ROM thing, and have to put up with the same shite I mentioned above. Of course, you could always get a 'Google' phone to solve all these problems, and end up (in the US) on a carrier where you'd have to walk outside and stand in the middle of the street just to get a signal.

- With the iPhone, you have access to many, many more accessories. I can't even find a f**king armband for my Android phone.

- iPhone is still the 'de facto' standard for phones, so if there's a cool new app/service coming out, it's probably going to be on iPhone first.

- I think it would be easier/better to keep up with iPhone-related news/blogs, because they're only concerned with one or two phones, whereas Android blogs are always talking about the 300 different phones that'll be out in the next month, or updates/news about current phones that you don't own and have no interest in.

- I can't play 'arcade mode' on the Android version of Fruit Ninja ;)

Of course, I'm not an Android hater and realize that it's infinitely more customizable, but rarely (if ever) do I use any of that stuff, such as the battery-draining widgets that most folks seem to be enthralled with. I've played with my dad's iPad and for the most part, I like the way it works out of the box, so there isn't much I'd want/need to change.

As for the ideological 'Steve controls everything', that's what jailbreaking is for ;)

The only thing that's holding me back at the moment is AT&T.... I just can't deal with them. Though their service seems ok in my area, their customer support is absolutely atrocious.

Edited 2011-01-04 00:02 UTC

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RE: iPhone on Verizon
by mtzmtulivu on Tue 4th Jan 2011 02:35 in reply to "iPhone on Verizon"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14


- I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself.



As for the ideological 'Steve controls everything', that's what jailbreaking is for ;) .


Inst there a little bit of irrational fanboyism here?

Dont you see an inconsistency in your statements? You are giving apple a pass on a stronghold they have on the device because you can root ios devices, but you are hard on android devices on the stronghold carries have when you can still root them too.


Of course, I'm not an Android hater and realize that it's infinitely more customizable, but rarely (if ever) do I use any of that stuff, such as the battery-draining widgets that most folks seem to be enthralled with. I've played with my dad's iPad and for the most part, I like the way it works out of the box, so there isn't much I'd want/need to change.


You most likely arent, but if you dont know, you are most likely high on what ever steve jobs dishes out and in his sales pitches you have an apologetic view of apple products and a critical view of their competitors and hence you will always have an opinion that apple products are always better.

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RE[2]: iPhone on Verizon
by mrhasbean on Tue 4th Jan 2011 02:43 in reply to "RE: iPhone on Verizon"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

Inst there a little bit of irrational fanboyism here?

Dont you see an inconsistency in your statements? You are giving apple a pass on a stronghold they have on the device because you can root ios devices, but you are hard on android devices on the stronghold carries have when you can still root them too.

You most likely arent, but if you dont know, you are most likely high on what ever steve jobs dishes out and in his sales pitches you have an apologetic view of apple products and a critical view of their competitors and hence you will always have an opinion that apple products are always better.


You're totally missing the point of what he's saying - which seems to be par for the course when it comes to how people look at this argument.

He's saying "why should I have to root the device to be able to get functionality that it's already supposed to have according to Google's marketing?" - ie, Updates, as opposed to CHOOSING to root the device if you want to make it do things that aren't promised or supported by the OS's developer. There is a real and significant difference in there, just many choose to ignore it and lump them into the same boat, as you have.

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RE[2]: iPhone on Verizon
by tetek on Tue 4th Jan 2011 08:39 in reply to "RE: iPhone on Verizon"
tetek Member since:
2010-10-04

And you don't have to root your Android phone to make it your "own" and have full control of it??

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RE: iPhone on Verizon
by cmost on Tue 4th Jan 2011 03:43 in reply to "iPhone on Verizon"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

If iPhone comes to Verizon, I would seriously consider jumping ship from Android, depending on what features they put into Honeycomb (Android 3.0).

The reasons for this are as follows:

- I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself...


I really don't know what you're complaining about. Don't buy an Android phone from one of the carriers. I purchased the original Nexus One, which is a powerful HTC Android phone in its own right (still is) and it pretty much meets your requirements. My Nexus One is unlocked which means I am able to take it to the carrier of my choice. It also shipped with a "vanilla" Android 2.2 installation that is almost immediately updated by Google whenever updates to Android OS are available. No wait; no hacked ROMs (unless I want one,) no fuss, no muss. Your other reasons for choosing Apple's iPhone over the more open Android seem flimsy. You can't play a game in arcade mode? Really? That's reason enough to spend hundreds of dollars on a phone that Apple will tightly control? Apple is a phenomenon driven by a popularity contest. iPhone is over hyped. Android is much younger and it has a lot of room for improvement. It will get better and better with each new version. Hang in there. In future, I recommend you choose a Google phone, such as the new Nexus S, which ships with the just released Android 2.3 OS, instead of running to your closest carrier and then bellyaching about the crapware the carrier installs. Your new Nexus S will most definitely be on the cutting edge of Android and will be Google's darling for some time to come.

Edited 2011-01-04 03:48 UTC

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RE[2]: iPhone on Verizon
by WorknMan on Tue 4th Jan 2011 04:19 in reply to "RE: iPhone on Verizon"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

My Nexus One is unlocked which means I am able to take it to the carrier of my choice.


Yeah, assuming your carrier of choice in the US is either T-Mobile or AT&T. So then for me, it's a choice of standing in the middle of the street to get a signal at my house, or deal with a company who consistently ranks in the top 5 companies having the absolute worst customer service.

If Google ever releases a CDMA phone, then we'll talk.

And the Fruit Ninja comment was a joke ;)

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RE: iPhone on Verizon
by Laurence on Tue 4th Jan 2011 13:10 in reply to "iPhone on Verizon"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I'm tired of the crapware that carriers are shoving into OTA stock ROMs, and the OEMs who are putting custom 'trinkets' on top that I don't want. And to get a custom ROM with just vanilla Android and WITHOUT all the crap, you have to wait for your device to get rooted, and then wade through a bunch of half-finished custom ROMs, where random features (such as wifi and GPS) don't work. I know a lot of people get off on this kind of thing and that's fine, but it's just not how I'd like to spend my free time. (Of course, the quality of custom ROMs probably depends on which phone you have, which is a problem in itself.

So buy a Nexus then - they're deliberately released with vanilla Android.

- With the iPhone, you have access to many, many more accessories. I can't even find a f**king armband for my Android phone.

tbh I don't see the point of phone accessories. If I wanted jewellery, then I'd buy myself jewellery.
So long as my phone fits in my pocket and has a headphone jack, then I see little need to extend it's physical capacity.

- iPhone is still the 'de facto' standard for phones, so if there's a cool new app/service coming out, it's probably going to be on iPhone first.

That's really not true:
* AR - such as Layer - came out on Android first.
* Sat nav came to the iPhone long /AFTER/ every other smart phone
* Android handsets had digital compasses nearly a year before the first iPhone featured it
* ...and don't get me started on how late Apple were in implementing "multi-tasking" or even basic features like MMS and copy/paste.

Sure, the iPhone does also pilot cool features too. But it's not nearly as pioneering as many make out.

I think it would be easier/better to keep up with iPhone-related news/blogs, because they're only concerned with one or two phones, whereas Android blogs are always talking about the 300 different phones that'll be out in the next month, or updates/news about current phones that you don't own and have no interest in.

That's a rather silly reason buy one handset over another.

Of course, I'm not an Android hater and realize that it's infinitely more customizable, but rarely (if ever) do I use any of that stuff, such as the battery-draining widgets that most folks seem to be enthralled with. I've played with my dad's iPad and for the most part, I like the way it works out of the box, so there isn't much I'd want/need to change.

I think a lot of the "widget" mentality is users customising their phone because they /can/ rather than because they need to.

If you ignored widgets and custom roms, then Android works much like iOS - and thus works "out of the box" just like iOS.

If iOS supported widgets then I'm sure just as many iPhone/iPad users would play about with the interface as Android users do with their phones.

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RE[2]: iPhone on Verizon
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 4th Jan 2011 14:15 in reply to "RE: iPhone on Verizon"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If iOS supported widgets then I'm sure just as many iPhone/iPad users would play about with the interface as Android users do with their phones.


The first thing people ask when they see my jailbroken iPhone is: how can I get that stuff?

People want to customise their phone. His Steveness may not like it, but it's a simple and utter fact. Just look at all the cases, case stickers, and so on, you can buy for phones.

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