Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Jan 2011 21:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Just - just hold on a second. This is big: NVIDIA, maker of graphics accelerator chips, has just announced, during its keynote at CES, that it is developing a high-performance ARM-based processor together with ARM, targeted squarely at the desktop, server, and even high-performance computing markets. That Windows on ARM thing? NVIDIA referenced it multiple times! Update: Boom, and we have a press release. "NVIDIA announced today that it plans to build high-performance ARM based CPU cores, designed to support future products ranging from personal computers and servers to workstations and supercomputers. Known under the internal codename 'Project Denver', this initiative features an NVIDIA CPU running the ARM instruction set, which will be fully integrated on the same chip as the NVIDIA GPU."
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Windows on ARM? Sorry -- YAAWWNNN
by debio on Wed 5th Jan 2011 21:40 UTC
debio
Member since:
2005-07-06

I really don't mean to rain on anyone's enthusiasm, but why are you excited about Windows on ARM?

I don't really see how it can be any kind of game changer or even of academic interest. In fact, arguably the real question is why it took Microsoft so long to get Windows running on ARM. Linux has been running on ARM, well, comparatively forever. Darwin (Mac OS X) has been running on ARM on some form or another since the first iphone...

Are you thinking that we'll see Windows 7 running on ARM notebooks? Perhaps... but the desktop/laptop/notebook era is over. Seeing Windows on ARM now is more of a "Phhttt"/shrug shoulder while thinking of the next cool Android/iOS (heck, even Blackberry QNX) app.

Sorry -- I just really don't see how this is at all exciting.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't really see how it can be any kind of game changer or even of academic interest. In fact, arguably the real question is why it took Microsoft so long to get Windows running on ARM. Linux has been running on ARM, well, comparatively forever. Darwin (Mac OS X) has been running on ARM on some form or another since the first iphone...


We don't know how long Windows has been running on ARM. Considering the excellent portability record of Windows NT, I'd say it's been running on ARM pretty much since day one - even if only as a technical exercise.

Sorry -- I just really don't see how this is at all exciting.


Microsoft's first active foray into breaking up WinTel? You don't see how that is exciting?

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debio Member since:
2005-07-06

Granted, NT 4.0 was the last official release to be officially multi-platform (Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC), but that was back in 2000. Supposedly NT 5 (Windows 2000) had an RC2 build that still ran on Alpha...

Needless to say, the fact that NT5RC2 was nominally cross platform does not imply at all that current Windows 7 (NT6.2) has maintained that legacy. Although it would be bizarre if it hadn't, but perhaps not surprising.

MS breaking up WinTel doesn't really make sense. ARM processors are supposedly ideal for mobile use, and MS has Windows Phone 7, right? Recompiling Windows 7 for ARM to squeeze on very low end "PCs" doesn't sound like a compelling business model. Especially since most of the target user have no comprehension that different core CPU architectures mean differently compiled software packages. "What do you mean I can't run Office 2010 on my *Windows* notebook?!?!"

I see the whole NVIDIA announcement much more in the line of future converged devices/interfaces a la Chrome notebooks. Say tablets/phones/notebook-ish devices running Android apps across all. That actually I find much more exciting than imagining Windows on ARM -- but hey, that's me. If running Office is exciting, each to his own... :-)

Edited 2011-01-05 22:11 UTC

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

the desktop/laptop/notebook is over
???

Whatever, what are people going to use to create all that content you consume on your phone? Do you really see office workers and the like doing thier jobs on phones?

There will always be desktops, because you can't do real work on a phone, or even a pad.

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Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

Whatever, what are people going to use to create all that content you consume on your phone? Do you really see office workers and the like doing thier jobs on phones?

There will always be desktops, because you can't do real work on a phone, or even a pad.

I wish I could vote this up 1000 times. So many people assume that because one market is growing faster than the other, that the slower-growing one must be obsolete/dying.

In reality, people will continue to need real computers (i.e. decent sized screen, real keyboard) for the foreseeable future. I can imagine powerful laptops replacing desktops in most cases, but even that is a stretch. Anyone who believes that iPads and smartphones are going to replace real computers is delusional...

Edited 2011-01-05 23:43 UTC

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

???

Whatever, what are people going to use to create all that content you consume on your phone? Do you really see office workers and the like doing thier jobs on phones?

There will always be desktops, because you can't do real work on a phone, or even a pad.

Too bad I already posted a comment, can't mod you up. Well said.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think Motorola just showed us the future.

http://gizmodo.com/5725505/motorolas-atrix-android-phone-has-two-co...

Phone with a laptop dock. Phones continue to get more powerful. The only draw back is input size and display size. The dock solves both.

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marsofearth Member since:
2009-12-13

...you can't do real work on a phone, or even a pad...

I find your lack of faith in imagination and definition of, "REAL WORK" disturbing, ;)

As someone who works daily in GIS, I welcome any change in technology that I can imagine helping to do my job more efficiently and effectively.


Also, there is a big difference between a Personal Computer (PC) and a Workstation.

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vermaden Member since:
2006-11-18

I really don't mean to rain on anyone's enthusiasm, but why are you excited about Windows on ARM?


That may sound funny, but its not about Windows at all ...

Just think about it, why x86 architecture is popular? Because Windows run it, its widely available and cheap, with a lot of possible configuration market top to bottom, but do You HAVE to run Windows on it? NO!

And that the point, by Windows 'ported' to ARM will make that architecture a lot more popular, so hardware will be a lot more popular, so You cound get needed hardware for any operating system You want.

Just think about quad core 1.2GHz ARM laptop that is abloe to work for about 24 hours straight on battery ;)

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marsofearth Member since:
2009-12-13

Excited... More like Surprised... I don't hear anyone jumping for joy over Windows on ARM, but hear a lot of surprise...

Surprised, because microsoft is languishing in legacy land.

The big story is NVidea building an SOC ARM... Sweet....

As much as the "Gamer" crowd laughs at the thought of using an ARM in a PC or Server, I have been Excited about this development for quite some time...

good to see it being announced MainStream.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Gamer ? More like the performance-savvy crowd as a whole. Heavy image and video processing are not for ARM chips at the moment, though it might become the case in the future.

On the other hand, for a low-powered computer, like a netbook or a cheap desktop/laptop for office work and light entertainment, this could be very nice.

Edited 2011-01-06 18:06 UTC

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Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

I really don't mean to rain on anyone's enthusiasm, but why are you excited about Windows on ARM?

I don't really see how it can be any kind of game changer or even of academic interest. In fact, arguably the real question is why it took Microsoft so long to get Windows running on ARM. Linux has been running on ARM, well, comparatively forever. Darwin (Mac OS X) has been running on ARM on some form or another since the first iphone...

Are you thinking that we'll see Windows 7 running on ARM notebooks? Perhaps... but the desktop/laptop/notebook era is over. Seeing Windows on ARM now is more of a "Phhttt"/shrug shoulder while thinking of the next cool Android/iOS (heck, even Blackberry QNX) app.

Sorry -- I just really don't see how this is at all exciting.



Especially since Nvidia stated that they have no plans to support anything but Windows on ARM: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/06/nvidia-says-no-to-linux...

Made worse since asking recently on the Nouveau's (reverse engineered Nvidia GPU driver) that there is nobody working on supporting the Tegra platform.

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