Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Jan 2011 21:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Just - just hold on a second. This is big: NVIDIA, maker of graphics accelerator chips, has just announced, during its keynote at CES, that it is developing a high-performance ARM-based processor together with ARM, targeted squarely at the desktop, server, and even high-performance computing markets. That Windows on ARM thing? NVIDIA referenced it multiple times! Update: Boom, and we have a press release. "NVIDIA announced today that it plans to build high-performance ARM based CPU cores, designed to support future products ranging from personal computers and servers to workstations and supercomputers. Known under the internal codename 'Project Denver', this initiative features an NVIDIA CPU running the ARM instruction set, which will be fully integrated on the same chip as the NVIDIA GPU."
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Two points:
by BeamishBoy on Thu 6th Jan 2011 00:32 UTC in reply to "F*ck."
BeamishBoy
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2010-10-27

So much for the dream of getting an ARM-based machine in the future that does NOT come with or force the payment of the Windows tax... and so much for the added benefit of having a machine that is literally unable to run Windows.


First, anyone over the age of twelve who uses the phrase "Windows tax" is almost certainly not going to be enlightening company.

I guess on the bright side, most of the Windows software that really matters is x86 only, and much of it will likely remain that way. Looks like even on ARM, we'll *still* be forced to pay Microsoft only to wipe their garbage. Sad... they win yet again.


Secondly, one man's pain is another's pleasure. While you clearly have deep-seated issues related to Microsoft, more than a few of us actually like their products and would disagree strongly with your opinion of them.

Personally, for instance, I can't imagine having a machine without a copy of Visual Studio, which is - by a country mile - the best IDE I've ever used. Similarly, I quite appreciate having access to operating systems (XP SP3 and Windows 7) that have never actually crashed on me. That's rather more than I can say for any of my often ill-fated encounters with Linux distros.

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RE: Two points:
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 6th Jan 2011 01:19 in reply to "Two points:"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

First, anyone over the age of twelve who uses the phrase "Windows tax" is almost certainly not going to be enlightening company.

What should I call it then? How about, "The Additional Cost Applied to the Computer System for the License To Use The Included Microsoft Software, Which Is Hard [If Not Impossible] To Get Refunded?" Is that better?

Secondly, one man's pain is another's pleasure. While you clearly have deep-seated issues related to Microsoft, more than a few of us actually like their products and would disagree strongly with your opinion of them.

I can't complain as much now as I could in the past about the quality of Microsoft's operating systems; Windows 7 is admittedly halfway decent. Now, it's mostly their monopoly status, their forcing their OS (or at least payment) onto everyone who doesn't choose to get even more gouged by buying an Apple, the ridiculous prices of their OSes, and their ridiculous technical and EULA limitations, etc. Not to mention their horrible customer service, outsourced to some cheap foreign country. And their "product activation" and "genuine advantage" crap that makes it almost a guarantee that you'll have to deal with them at some point.

Similarly, I quite appreciate having access to operating systems (XP SP3 and Windows 7) that have never actually crashed on me. That's rather more than I can say for any of my often ill-fated encounters with Linux distros.

Oh, man. You would get bored as hell hearing about all the blue screens of death I got in XP, as well as previous versions of Windows. One standout, I recall, was one of XP's earlier service packs; downloading torrents would never fail to cause a BSOD, and that annoying bug existed until SP2 finally came out. The only fix until SP2: Don't download torrents or any other highly network-straining programs, or downgrade to the previous service pack. Let me just say, from around 1997 until sometime in 2006, I've seen Windows crash and burn spectacularly more times than I can count.

Edited 2011-01-06 01:22 UTC

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RE[2]: Two points:
by bnolsen on Thu 6th Jan 2011 02:00 in reply to "RE: Two points:"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Not monopoly status, ABUSE of monopoly status. That needs to be kept explicit. We don't want microsoft stifling more innovation through strong arming vendors, running under the table deals, playing dirty with pushing "standards", the list goes on.

I personally don't like visual studio one bit, its pretty clunky and non intuitive and worse...forces users into its developmental paradigm. That tends to be true of most ides but is more true of VS. And then there's the insanity of not being able to mix and match libraries at will...static/dynamic/thread mode/debug utterly maddening.

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RE[2]: Two points:
by BeamishBoy on Thu 6th Jan 2011 04:22 in reply to "RE: Two points:"
BeamishBoy Member since:
2010-10-27

What should I call it then? How about, "The Additional Cost Applied to the Computer System for the License To Use The Included Microsoft Software, Which Is Hard [If Not Impossible] To Get Refunded?" Is that better?


Hang on a second: presumably, you're opposed to the idea of using Windows either because you simply don't like the product or you find it distasteful from a purely ideological standpoint. Either of those are perfectly fine reasons not to use it. Moreover, you don't want to buy a computer with Windows pre-installed because you regard it as a "tax" (which it isn't) and you believe it may be difficult to obtain a refund for the unused copy of Windows.

Here's a simple solution: don't buy a computer with Windows pre-installed.

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RE[2]: Two points:
by BallmerKnowsBest on Thu 6th Jan 2011 14:43 in reply to "RE: Two points:"
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2008-06-02

forcing their OS (or at least payment) onto everyone who doesn't choose to get even more gouged by buying an Apple


Yes, that's right, you're forced to pay for their OS... notwithstanding the fact every city of any decent size has dozens of small computer retailers who will happily build/sell you a computer without Windows.

If you're too lazy to shop anywhere other than Best Buy or Staples, well then that obviously must be Microsoft's fault... somehow.

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RE: Two points:
by aliquis on Thu 6th Jan 2011 07:23 in reply to "Two points:"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

I don't know, maybe you are correct, I have no company.

But it's a Windows tax. If I bought a laptop I would more or less be forced to buy Windows. I don't need it. It would either run OS X as hack or FreeBSD.

... or MeeGo from SuSE or something.

Edited 2011-01-06 07:24 UTC

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