Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Jan 2011 18:00 UTC
Mac OS X Remember the good old days? The good old days when people cried loads of foul over the inconsistency in the Windows user interface? You know, applications deviating from the norm - with even Microsoft seemingly doing whatever pleased them? This was considered a huge problem, especially by those from the Macintosh and Apple camp. Oh, how the times have changed.
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iOS Will Eventually Replace OSX
by Paradigm_Shift on Fri 7th Jan 2011 18:40 UTC
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My prediction is that we are seeing the beginning of the end for OSX. Apple's App Store is a huge success for Apple in that they have complete control over what can be sold (and just as importantly what cannot be sold). They also get 30% of each and every sale.

By moving to iOS on the Macintosh line, Apple extends that control to all Apple devices, and expands their revenue base to cover applications that they historically have not received any revenue from. Take Adobe, Microsoft, and other ISVs that sell mid and high priced applications. Having control over those applications (to whatever degree Apple wishes to control them, including not approving them) gives Apple huge leverage. The icing on the cake for Apple is the 30% commission on each sale - practically free revenue for Apple.

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jimmy1971 Member since:

Yikes! While I *hope* your prediction doesn't bear fruit, it certain seems to be consistent with overall trends.

I don't like the idea of any device, especially a desktop computer, being dependent on a centralized "store" for software, along with legal penalties for the user breaking or working around that dependency.

Call me a neanderthal, but I value computers as freely-reprogrammable universal machines. While Apple scores supremely high marks in my books for using BSD code for much of their OS underbelly, I cringe at the "Apple-approved" world they are creating, in which any sort of hacking must be vetted by Jobs & Company. How soon before Micro$oft follows suit?

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jabbotts Member since:

I'm surprised Microsoft didn't do it before Apple.

Take Microsoft Update.
Make .msi the official Windows package format rather than setup.exe.
Allow competing products in the listing along side Microsoft's own products.

The centralized updates across all installs software alone would significantly improve things.

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stabbyjones Member since:

just wait till you have to jailbreak your mac to install "outside" software.

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atsureki Member since:

-I'm revising this significantly because I ended up mischaracterizing/forgetting your original point-

I think people misunderstand the nature of Apple's power and influence. A future where Apple has left workstations entirely to concentrate on an area they dominate, portable Web and media, makes more sense than one where they've simply corrupted the definition of a workstation.

Consider the driving force behind the App Store model on the consumer end of things. I think I want a modern Mac – which is to say a mouse-keyboard-chair workstation that's pleasant to use recreationally – into the foreseeable future, but I'm honestly not convinced it's going to matter anymore. If Apple provides my music, Web, and IM smoothly on a "just works" portable device, and I need to glue myself to a chair in front of Linux or Windows only for the time it takes to design, configure, or convert something, what have I lost?

I am a geek and a hobbyist. I will always enjoy playing with what a system can do, I appreciate technical diversity for its own sake, and I love the open source + commodity hardware option that offers infinite flexibility, but if Apple's workstation alternative only provides advantages redundant to their portable products, and everything else about them is a burden, what power would they retain over anything? Why would anyone buy them?

What they've been doing is working because there are tangible advantages. My cell phone and iPod have taught me how ridiculous it was during the '90s to actually sit down in front of a box of whirring fans for hours just to enjoy an MP3 collection or anticipate some kind of text-based communication. But the reality distortion field is a myth, and if a locked-down workstation doesn't offer huge tangible benefits over the old model, it won't sell and Apple won't be able to pull it off.

Edited 2011-01-08 08:56 UTC

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wocowboy Member since:

My god, you're acting like the AppStore is now the ONLY way to install applications on your Mac, when this is obviously not true. Nothing has changed; you can still to go any website, discover a piece of software you like, purchase, download and install it from there, in fact a lot of the software available on the AppStore is also available by this method. Or you can go to your local Best Buy, buy a box with a disc in it, take it home and install from that, OR you can use the AppStore to browse, find, download, and install from it. Good lord, Apple has NOT said a word about removing the ability to install software by ANY other means than the AppStore, so spreading FUD in this manner is just silly and completely irresponsible.

As to the interface, I don't mind it at all. Sure it's a little out of the norm, but it's still completely functional once you take 10 seconds to learn it. I did draw the line with the placement of the Close, Minimize, etc buttons on iTunes and put them back with the hack I found on the internet, but to get ones panties all up in a wad in a huge rant over the interface of the AppStore is a bit much. Maybe I'm too flexible and too able to learn new things. Hey that's a good thing for someone of 60 years of age!

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karunko Member since:

My god, you're acting like the AppStore is now the ONLY way to install applications on your Mac, when this is obviously not true. Nothing has changed; you can still to go any website, discover a piece of software you like, purchase, download and install it from there

True, but only to some extent. Some applications have become App Store exclusives. Namely:

- Pixelmator
- Twitter (know as Tweetie before)
- Coversutra
- Courier

Probably there are more, with more to come I'd expect.

No big deal, but what irritates me is that previous purchases (i.e., before the App Store) do not count and cannot be upgraded through the store. The usual "Check for Updates..." still works, but it remains to be seen how long it will be before the developers will stop supporting non-store applications altogether.


Edited 2011-01-08 13:33 UTC

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TheGZeus Member since:

The words "just wait" implies that this is something that will happen in the future.

Why do Apple People always sit, coiled to strike?

Perhaps they're like their leader, feigning friendliness, exuding haughtiness, but with rage and vitriol sitting just beneath the surface.

I'll wish for Steve Jobs' good health once he stops being an evil, vindictive, software-patenting bastard.

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Paradigm_Shift Member since:

Please go back and re-read my post. It is my prediction, and I never said that the App Store is the only way to install software on a Mac today. Now, however, suppose that Apple does decide to make the App Store the only approved and permissible method of installing software on the Mac?

I suggested some reasons why they might want to do that. Apple (and really, Steve Jobs) are all about control. Everything they do and their rational behind it is about exercising control over their hardware and software, and over their customers. So, eventually extending that control over the Mac line only makes sense.

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Phloptical Member since:

Except for the fact that iOS _is_ OSX., it won't replace OS X.

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TheGZeus Member since:

Try splitting a curly one next time.

They use the same basic toolkit, and have similar codebases for their kernels.


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