Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Jan 2011 22:59 UTC
Mac OS X Now that the Mac App Store has been snuck installed onto your machine alongside Mac OS X 10.6.6, you might be wondering - is there some way to remove that monstrosity of an application from my Mac? While it's not officially supported, it does seem like Apple has taken this scenario into account.
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Sure, title bar is odd,
by MacMan on Tue 11th Jan 2011 00:26 UTC
MacMan
Member since:
2006-11-19

But honestly Thom, I think "monstrosity" goes just a little bit too far.

I guess you've never tried to use either A: Matlab on any platform, or B: any QT application on OSX.

But I guess we can't touch this sacred cow QT around here, the moment I say anything the slightest bit negative about QT, I get modded down.

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v RE: Sure, title bar is odd,
by tyrione on Tue 11th Jan 2011 01:05 in reply to "Sure, title bar is odd,"
RE: Sure, title bar is odd,
by dacresni on Tue 11th Jan 2011 01:32 in reply to "Sure, title bar is odd,"
dacresni Member since:
2009-08-26

hey, QT doesn't break as many rules as this app does. QT doesnt center the window buttons!

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RE[2]: Sure, title bar is odd,
by atsureki on Tue 11th Jan 2011 15:07 in reply to "RE: Sure, title bar is odd,"
atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

hey, QT doesn't break as many rules as this app does. QT doesnt center the window buttons!


And what exactly is wrong with centering the window controls, especially on a Mac where they're never going to be stuck to a screen corner? I know they control the window itself rather than program functions, so they shouldn't be confusable with action buttons, but looking completely different, being a matched set, having their color set system-wide, and reserving the leftmost area should be enough to accomplish that.

And as for the other most common complaint - that back/forward match the title bar's color - again, what's actually wrong with that? The App Store is a prepared content showcase, much like a physical Apple Store, and making the app itself look boring (like an all-white room) is an effective way to put emphasis on the items on display.

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RE: Sure, title bar is odd,
by ebasconp on Tue 11th Jan 2011 02:48 in reply to "Sure, title bar is odd,"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

If your application looks ugly using Qt... it is not Qt's fault.... Qt uses Cocoa as backend when running in the Mac. As far as I know, Skype uses Qt on the Mac and it is a very nice application.

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RE[2]: Sure, title bar is odd,
by darknexus on Tue 11th Jan 2011 03:24 in reply to "RE: Sure, title bar is odd,"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

If your application looks ugly using Qt... it is not Qt's fault.... Qt uses Cocoa as backend when running in the Mac. As far as I know, Skype uses Qt on the Mac and it is a very nice application.


I haven't owned a Mac for a couple months now, but when last I used it Skype for the Mac wasn't a QT application. Other than the mobile versions, it was the only one that hadn't become QT-based yet. Has this changed recently?
As for QT using Cocoa, perhaps that's true of later versions of QT, but there are a lot of early QT4 apps and all of the QT3 ones that sure as hell didn't use Cocoa as their backend. They didn't act like Cocoa apps at all other than having the global menubar and basic window management. If QT actually uses Cocoa controls for its widgets now when possible, that's a welcome change indeed.

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RE[2]: Sure, title bar is odd,
by MacMan on Tue 11th Jan 2011 13:44 in reply to "RE: Sure, title bar is odd,"
MacMan Member since:
2006-11-19

Qt uses Cocoa as backend when running in the Mac. As far as I know, Skype uses Qt on the Mac and it is a very nice application.


Wrong!


A: The Skype UI is absolutely 100% pure native Cocoa, there is NO QT on Skype for Mac (source, have a friend who works there)

B: QT technically only uses Cocoa to create a raw empty window. After that, it does all of its own event handling, drawing, etc. QT uses Cocoa almost exactly like opening a raw X11 drawable. (source, looked at the QT source code)

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RE: Sure, title bar is odd,
by Skai on Tue 11th Jan 2011 09:19 in reply to "Sure, title bar is odd,"
Skai Member since:
2010-08-19

As a fellow QT hater, I get your point :-)

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RE[2]: Sure, title bar is odd,
by MacMan on Tue 11th Jan 2011 15:00 in reply to "RE: Sure, title bar is odd,"
MacMan Member since:
2006-11-19

As a fellow QT hater, I get your point :-)


Thats pretty heretical language around here. Such forbidden thoughts are liable to get one burned at the stake.

Seems like the OSNews doctrine is:
1: Apple is evil, every comment should be directed towards taking the piss out of Apple. Steve Jobs is the Devil.

2: Its sometimes OK to to say negative things about Microsoft, but never in the same context as Apple. Specifically, is encouraged to say negative things about .net, as saying anything positive about .net would imply that QT is not perfect.

3: QT shall be revered above all else. QT is the alpha and the omega.

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