Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 12th Jan 2011 22:32 UTC, submitted by Adurbe
Legal Well, it would appear that Sony isn't particularly pleased with the fact that their console has been hacked into oblivion. It has officially filed suit against the fail0verflow hacker group and Geohot, after filing a temporary restraining order yesterday to try and remove the jailbreak information from the web (how cute).
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RE: Pony
by shadoweva09 on Thu 13th Jan 2011 00:39 UTC in reply to "Pony"
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2008-03-10

I don't know, Sony and Playstation seem to be a magnet for bad business decisions in this generation of consoles. Take the cell processor: It's highly unusual and started with little documentation or working programs. IBM also stopped making cells about a year ago, so when the PS4 comes out it will probably be even harder for it to have backwards compatibility with whatever chip it uses. 256MB main memory versus the 360's 512MB and PC's many GBs. With the unusual processor and limited memory we see things like Bioshock Infinite saying they're working on the PS3 version first to make it best on all platforms, but reading between the lines it seems PS3 is the least common denominator because of it's memory and processor. The only game out there that truly seems to use the PS3s capabilities seems to be Final Fantasy 13, and unfortunately it seems to be a case where they spent all their money on the game engine and forgot to make the game fun (pretty much all games these days seem to fall into some sort of trap where they spend money on game engines or online multi-player instead of the game being "fun" though).

Then one the reasons the PS2 had better games was their 3rd party support, but now Microsoft probably took that specialty away as business should be able to use visual studio and other Microsoft tools to speed up game development a lot for xbox.

Business decision wise Sony seems to be screwing up pretty badly these days. I dare say if the PS3 would have been their first console released on the Market, it would have failed by now.

Also note on that otherOS feature: the only real reason it was removed seems to be so they could save money by taking the hypervisor chip out of the slim and then disabling it on the old consoles so they only had to release one firmware update for all the consoles.

Edit: It's probably like the days of walkman CD players that were $100USD while every other player on the market was $30-40 and had the same features. Sony wanted to put out one superior thing and milk it for as much money for as long as possible, and in the console industry that's still possible for now.

Edited 2011-01-13 00:47 UTC

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RE[2]: Pony
by computrius on Thu 13th Jan 2011 00:47 in reply to "RE: Pony"
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2006-03-26

Wasnt one of the things discovered while they were making the hack that there was no technical reason the other os feature cant work on the slim? It was in the video describing what they did. So that hypervisor chip must still be there, right?

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RE[3]: Pony
by shadoweva09 on Thu 13th Jan 2011 01:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Pony"
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2008-03-10

No there's no technical reason, their official response was not wanting to maintain drivers compatible with the hypervisor: http://www.taranfx.com/why-no-linux-install-support-for-ps3-slim-th...

Of course, I'm sure piracy had something to do with it to. Then they would also hate something like what's happened to jailbreaked iphones to happen to their console and have to compete. Once again, bad business decisions to ensure they get all the money they can.

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RE[2]: Pony
by djame on Thu 13th Jan 2011 00:56 in reply to "RE: Pony"
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2005-07-08

The only game out there that truly seems to use the PS3s capabilities seems to be Final Fantasy 13, and unfortunately it seems to be a case where they spent all their money on the game engine and forgot to make the game fun (pretty much all games these days seem to fall into some sort of trap where they spend money on game engines or online multi-player instead of the game being "fun" though).

You should try Uncharted 2, it's just something I've never experienced in my whole (ex) hardcore gamer life since the first time I was dead impressed by The Shadow of the Beast on the Amiga or the first time I ran Unreal on my 3dfx.
Seriously, if you can just test this game, certain levels are just pure art. It's the first game that gives the feeling of playing in the best adventure movie ever.

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RE[3]: Pony
by shadoweva09 on Thu 13th Jan 2011 03:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Pony"
shadoweva09 Member since:
2008-03-10

Okay, so one out of 2 titles that fully utilize the console don't suck. It's what, 4 years into the consoles estimated 10 year life cycle and there are only 2, 3, 4 games that utilize it well? That sounds like the kind of news that gets executives fired.

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RE[3]: Pony
by somebody on Thu 13th Jan 2011 04:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Pony"
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2005-07-07

lol, Uncharted 2 is really not the game that could be say it was improved.

Visually it is absolutely stunning, I agree. Gameplay wise? I'd say try Uncharted 1. Much, much better game and not so bad graphics wise either. Not to say how they slashed the brutality of Crushing from UC1. UC2 Crushing is pure random, nothing else.

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RE[2]: Pony
by _txf_ on Thu 13th Jan 2011 01:03 in reply to "RE: Pony"
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2008-03-17

Just some minor corrections as you seem interested in this kind of stuff...


256MB main memory versus the 360's 512MB and PC's many GBs

xbox has 512 gddr3 shared between GPU and CPU. Ps3 has 256 gddr3 for the GPU and 256 XDR(reaaaally fast) main memory.


The only game out there that truly seems to use the PS3s capabilities seems to be Final Fantasy 13

you seem to forget Uncharted2 (arguably the best looking game this generation). They shoved a ton of code utilising the SPUs to very good effect. The SPUs are hard to use, but in capable hands they seem to have their uses.


Also note on that otherOS feature: the only real reason it was removed seems to be so they could save money by taking the hypervisor chip out of the slim and then disabling it on the old consoles so they only had to release one firmware update for all the consoles.

The hypervisor is built into Cell and was designed by IBM (who didn't design it as an anti-piracy barrier in the first place). There is no difference architecturally between the PS3 fat and slim. They removed OtherOS because they got paranoid and stupidly thought that people would shrug it off.

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RE[2]: Pony
by toast88 on Thu 13th Jan 2011 01:51 in reply to "RE: Pony"
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2009-09-23

Also note on that otherOS feature: the only real reason it was removed seems to be so they could save money by taking the hypervisor chip out of the slim and then disabling it on the old consoles so they only had to release one firmware update for all the consoles.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. There is no hypervisor chip, instead they're using one of the SPUs which runs as a supervisor [1]. So they can't really remove the hypervisor.

Quote:
"The Cell Broadband Engine has 8 SPEs. PS3 Linux has 6. One is reserved by the hypervisor."

Also, fail0verflow has shown that Linux perfectly boots on a PS3 slim, so there was no technical reason to remove it.

Adrian

[1] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-ps3-1/

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RE[2]: Pony
by viton on Thu 13th Jan 2011 09:12 in reply to "RE: Pony"
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2005-08-09

Take the cell processor: It's highly unusual and started with little documentation or working programs.

CELL was perfectly documented, tens of megabytes of pdf and numerous tutorials, explanations.
CELL architecture pioneering heterogenous multicore solutions and was well-designed and well-implemented (there are some problems, but they relate to slow PPC core).
For those with head over shoulders, CELL is ultimate weapon. For me it is most enjoyable chip ever.

256MB main memory versus the 360's 512MB and PC's many GBs.

PS3 has 256 system + 256 video = 512mb
So it is the same as 360, but requires some balancing though

Edited 2011-01-13 09:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Pony
by Neolander on Thu 13th Jan 2011 09:36 in reply to "RE: Pony"
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2010-03-08

(pretty much all games these days seem to fall into some sort of trap where they spend money on game engines or online multi-player instead of the game being "fun" though).

You should try more indie games. World of Goo, Machinarium, and Trine especially were really worth every dollar I spent for them, and they cost less than those boring blockbuster games which would require me to buy a new PC before I can play them.

Even among more mainstream games, according to a friend who has a PS3, Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain are really worth the price.

Edited 2011-01-13 09:39 UTC

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RE[3]: Pony
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 13th Jan 2011 09:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Pony"
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2005-06-29

BioWare. One of the few companies remaining treating storytelling as an integral part of the game. By far the world's best game studio. Valve is obviously another mainstream studio that makes games that far outclass its competition. Half-Life, Portal, and Left 4 Dead are all polished to perfection. I'm also a fan of Ubisoft and their Assassin's Creed series - while execution has not been perfect yet, they're at least trying something new, with a unique setting and unique gameplay. Bethesda manages to pull off immersion very well, but their games are usually so incredibly buggy it would make even the world's leading entomologist uncomfortable.

For the rest, it's generally more of the same - which isn't to say bad; just bland. Uncharted is an overrated piece of crap (Indiana Jones-ahoy, with a terrible lead character), and while God of War is made of pure awesome, it's anything but groundbreaking. Heavy Rain fascinates me, but I haven't been able to 'play' it yet (insofar you actually 'play' Heavy Rain).

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