Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Sat 15th Jan 2011 18:02 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces As an answer to someone asking whether Unity will require a working OpenGL stack to operate in Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal", Mark Shuttleworth announced that Canonical would offer an optional, QT-based, "2D" implementation of Unity. Here is a video, too.
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RE[3]: WTF?!?
by vivainio on Sat 15th Jan 2011 19:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: WTF?!?"
vivainio
Member since:
2008-12-26


That's a very arrogant and ignorant thing to say and quite clearly shows how much thought you put behind the whole thing..


Care to elaborate how it's either arrogant or ignorant?

It's a fact of life that having ~ 20 megs more libraries mapped in virtual memory only hurts people who have way too little ram. It is not a concern in desktop/laptop/netbook form factor, and even the crummiest ubuntu-capable tablets will probably match the requirement as well. Catering to that crowd is not in the best interest of Canonical, those are well served by ligthweight window managers like fluxbox.

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RE[4]: WTF?!?
by WereCatf on Sat 15th Jan 2011 20:43 in reply to "RE[3]: WTF?!?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

First of all, telling the other person to get a job is the arrogant part; you don't know whether or not he has one or whether or not he could afford a computer.

Secondly, just telling someone to buy a newer, better computer is the ignorant part; it's much wiser to keep using old hardware as long as it works and fits the bill. Just buying new all the time creates unnecessary stress on the environment.

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RE[5]: WTF?!?
by vivainio on Sat 15th Jan 2011 21:01 in reply to "RE[4]: WTF?!?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

First of all, telling the other person to get a job is the arrogant part; you don't know whether or not he has one or whether or not he could afford a computer.


Obviously I was not referring to parent poster. Everyone on osnews can afford a computer (otherwise they would not be on the internet).

If you can afford internet, you can afford a computer with >= 1 gig of ram.

Secondly, just telling someone to buy a newer, better computer is the ignorant part; it's much wiser to keep using old hardware as long as it works and fits the bill. Just buying new all the time creates unnecessary stress on the environment.


You can acquire a fast enough computer second hand for under 100eur, without stressing the environment. I buy almost all my components (not monitors) second-hand, since that's the most rational way to go about it anyway.

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RE[5]: WTF?!?
by westlake on Sun 16th Jan 2011 02:53 in reply to "RE[4]: WTF?!?"
westlake Member since:
2010-01-07

Just buying new all the time creates unnecessary stress on the environment.<P>

Even when new hardware is faster and more capable than the old while drawing much less power?

It's been a long time - close on to ten years, I would think, - since the mass market desktop PC was sold with a bare 256 MB of RAM.

One reason for the rapid demise of the Linux netbook was the potent combination of an Atom CPU, Win XP and 1 GB RAM.

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RE[5]: WTF?!?
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 16th Jan 2011 17:19 in reply to "RE[4]: WTF?!?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

First of all, telling the other person to get a job is the arrogant part; you don't know whether or not he has one or whether or not he could afford a computer.

I recall sometime mid last year this same guy basically saying you should just kiss the major graphics card manufacturers' asses and use *their* official drivers, even if you prefer to use and support open source/free software and value your freedom. Even if you want to run a fully open-source OS. If not? Then apparently you deserve to have to put up with shitty drivers or just switch to Windows to get "proper" ones, or just shut up. A quote of his:

If you don't want to use proper drivers, you don't really have the right to complain that things don't work well for you.

Never mind the fact that it's these manufacturers in the first place that that make writing open source drivers so difficult, with their refusal to publish specifications. And according to this guy, there is such thing as "proper" drivers. Which would be, those proprietary ones blessed by their respective hardware manufacturers that the drivers target, who have and give themselves full and exclusive access to the specs of their own hardware. :|

He even agreed with my understanding of him that if your graphics card is no longer "supported" by its manufacturer and the latest drivers... you should just go out and buy a new graphics card. Yeah... sure.

Arrogant? That word nails this guy.

By the way, the above quote was taken from the article called "Ubuntu Nearing X Server Not Running as Root" if you want to read the rest of the conversation.

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RE[5]: WTF?!?
by JeeperMate on Mon 17th Jan 2011 03:24 in reply to "RE[4]: WTF?!?"
JeeperMate Member since:
2010-06-12


Secondly, just telling someone to buy a newer, better computer is the ignorant part; it's much wiser to keep using old hardware as long as it works and fits the bill. Just buying new all the time creates unnecessary stress on the environment.

Duh! Expecting Ubuntu to always be suitable for old, outdated hardware is a good example of daydreaming.

Canonical wants to make Ubuntu a modern OS, so it's perfectly reasonable for them to add features that up the requirements. Folks who need to run Linux on ancient hardware with very limited resources have plenty alternatives (DSL, Puppy, Knoppix, etc.).

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