Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Jan 2011 12:02 UTC
Multimedia, AV I generally need a billion words to explain the problems inherit in the current copyright system. Joss Stone needs just one minute. "I don't care how you hear it - as long as you hear it." Can we please appoint Ms Stone as supreme overlord of the universe?
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Piracy is illegal


Not in The Netherlands. Sorry.

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DOSguy Member since:
2009-07-27

It isn't illegal to download copyrighted music and movies in the Netherlands, but it is illegal to spread them.

Edited 2011-01-17 13:52 UTC

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

It is not illegal in EU at all. It is a copyright violation, but not a criminal offense.

Copyright is no right - it's a privilege (and a bad one, just like all other privileges).

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FrankenFuss Member since:
2009-08-05

"Piracy is illegal"

Not in The Netherlands. Sorry.


Of course. Your country should take great pride in allowing the theft of other people's hard work. You couch all your rationalizations in the name of "Freedom", while at the same time denying content creators the right to profit from their products. And, you try to claim a moral high ground, when in the end, you're just a thief like any old corrupt politician or corporate henchman.

Edited 2011-01-17 16:00 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

What you seem to be promoting is a society where someone should not be able to make a living making art. Let's see what kind of wonderful art gets created when the artist has no choice but to put in a 40-hour day job as well.


It's not just us. It's this way in most of Europe - i.e., the parts of Europe that are not flat-broke and drowning in debt.

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axilmar Member since:
2006-03-20

"Piracy is illegal


Not in The Netherlands. Sorry.
"

So, can I sell copies of the Beatles and Michael Jackson songs in Holland on the street without any consequences?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

So, can I sell copies of the Beatles and Michael Jackson songs in Holland on the street without any consequences?


You are explicitly allowed - by law, by word of the minister of Justice, and by years of jurisprudence - to download music, films, TV series, and so on, online. You are also allowed to do this non-digitally, i.e., receive a copy of a CD from someone else. This is a consequence of the 'personal copy' exception to copyright law; even if the source is illegal, the copy is not.

Our laws have been constructed in such a way as to allow the government to hunt down massive piracy, while not criminalising the entire population in the process. Funnily enough, our laws have had no adverse effect on the media industry (i.e., sales figures correspond to those in other countries, and are, in some cases, higher than others).

Overall, this is the best way to handle it.

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"Piracy is illegal


Not in The Netherlands. Sorry.
"

The Netherlands is a signatory of the Berne Convention, UCC and WIPO. Which means, by definition, copyright infringement is a crime in the Netherlands. You might want to read Chapter 2 of the Copyright Act of 1912, especially starting around Article 26. Article 31a specifically holds that:

A person who intentionally:

a. publicly offers for distribution;

b. has in his possession for the purpose of reproduction or distribution;

c. imports, conveys in transit or exports, or

d. keeps for profit

an object containing a work infringing another person's copyright is liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than six months or a fine of the fourth category.

Which is just one example of how copyright infringement is a crime in the Netherlands.

UCC and WIPO, of course, extended all of this to include software, databases and extend things to the internet. And EU directive 2001/29/EC implements the European version of the US's DMCA.

Edited 2011-01-19 06:53 UTC

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