Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Jan 2011 22:18 UTC, submitted by alinandrei
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu De kogel is door de kerk. After years of focussing entirely on Gtk+ and GNOME, Ubuntu will finally start evaluating Qt applications for inclusion in the defaukt Ubuntu installation. Mark Shuttleworth announced the policy change on his blog today.
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RE[4]: Talk about arrogance
by segedunum on Tue 18th Jan 2011 23:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Talk about arrogance"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

Sorry, but I can only interpret this one way and it's the same message that Mark Shuttleworth has given for years that has always ended up in nothing of very much significance happening:

Nevertheless, should a KDE app learn to talk dconf in addition to the standard KDE mechanisms, which should be straightforward, it would be a candidate for the Ubuntu default install.

What this means is that if a foreign application does things the way that we want in a way that we've already decided then we'll be happy to dangle a carrot of inclusion into Ubuntu.

Not helpful, in other words, because whatever way you choose to see it that is dictation in any language - or at least attempting to dictate.

They've obviously now seen the error of their ways over the years with their development platform and path. How much do you want to bet that they end up being wrong over this shoehorned approach until they either change again or go bust?

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RE[5]: Talk about arrogance
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 18th Jan 2011 23:18 in reply to "RE[4]: Talk about arrogance"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

What this means is that if a foreign application does things the way that we want in a way that we've already decided then we'll be happy to dangle a carrot of inclusion into Ubuntu.


And this is different to just about any other software collection, how, exactly? Are you telling me KDE doesn't have rules for inclusion? OpenSUSE? Fedora?

Come on dude, this sounds a lot like trolling just because you hate Ubuntu.

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by segedunum on Tue 18th Jan 2011 23:33 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

And this is different to just about any other software collection, how, exactly? Are you telling me KDE doesn't have rules for inclusion? OpenSUSE? Fedora?

Most (succcessful) software projects formulate their direction for things by including the projects that they hope will buy in and working out the best direction to go in. Those that dictate tend to not be very successful, and Ubuntu doesn't have the best track record of thinking things through, dictating and convincing people that where they're going is the right path. They've only been dragged kicking and screaming into accepting Qt after seven years.

The only way they're going to make a success of this is by getting buy in from Qt and the developers of Qt-using applications, such as those in KDE, and he's not off to the best start.

Come on dude, this sounds a lot like trolling just because you hate Ubuntu.

Sorry sweetheart, no. Ubuntu just doesn't have track record of getting these things right, that's all.

I'd appreciate it if you could leave this kind of trolling out of this as well. It kind of makes it look like any criticism of Ubuntu is trolling against it, you know?

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RE[5]: Talk about arrogance
by WereCatf on Tue 18th Jan 2011 23:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Talk about arrogance"
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2006-02-15

They've obviously now seen the error of their ways over the years with their development platform and path. How much do you want to bet that they end up being wrong over this shoehorned approach until they either change again or go bust?

I am not an Ubuntu fan or anything, but even I have to jump in here: your comments sound like nothing more than trolling. They are perfectly within their rights to only include applications that work well on their desktop. After all, Ubuntu IS aimed for the desktop and they want to maintain atleast a certain element of quality there. Thus it's perfectly reasonable to want to only include such Qt apps by default that fill their requirements.

After all, that's what EVERY single effing distro does.

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by segedunum on Tue 18th Jan 2011 23:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I am not an Ubuntu fan or anything, but even I have to jump in here: your comments sound like nothing more than trolling. They are perfectly within their rights to only include applications that work well on their desktop.

You can view it in whatever way that you want, but after seven years of steadfastly being hung-up on one toolkit, people complaining that perfectly good applications were being shoved to one side and coming up with some rather strange and very familiar reasons as to why they won't even acknowledge any other toolkits.......the irony is not lost on those of us who've seen what's happened over the past seven years.

After all, that's what EVERY single effing distro does.

No, outright excluding applications and alternative toolkits in installations based on ill-advised technology preferences is not what every distro does. Only some.

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