Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Jan 2011 22:18 UTC, submitted by alinandrei
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu De kogel is door de kerk. After years of focussing entirely on Gtk+ and GNOME, Ubuntu will finally start evaluating Qt applications for inclusion in the defaukt Ubuntu installation. Mark Shuttleworth announced the policy change on his blog today.
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RE[4]: Talk about arrogance
by lemur2 on Wed 19th Jan 2011 00:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Talk about arrogance"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

"Which is what Shuttleworth is doing, by shoehorning DConf support into a Canonical fork of QT, instead of working together with QT and/or KDE devs to find a solution to the settings issue.
Yes, and world peace will arrive tomorrow. This is a very good solution, and is not a fork at al - that's a bunch of FUD bullshit. All this means is giving Qt devs the option of building dconf support into their applications. Said applications will still work fine in any Qt environment, and as such, really can't be called forks. He's not forcing anyone, he's not dictating anyone, he's just saying: look, we're hiring a few devs to work on allowing Qt devs to implement dconf support, and if Qt apps want to make use of that, fine. If not, also fine. Jesus Christ the anti-Shuttleworth and anti-Ubuntu talk is reaching insane proportions around here. "

KDE desktops have pretty good support for GTK applications, including settings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK-Qt

If Shuttleworth wants to integrate Qt and GTK applications on the one desktop, which is a perfectly reasonable aspiration, why not just use what already works?

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RE[5]: Talk about arrogance
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 19th Jan 2011 00:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Talk about arrogance"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

That's a theme engine.

Read the article again. This is about the settings backend. A theme engine ain't gonna help you there.

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by lemur2 on Wed 19th Jan 2011 00:16 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

That's a theme engine. Read the article again. This is about the settings backend. A theme engine ain't gonna help you there.


It gets you a long way there (although I agree there must be more to it than just a theme engine). On my system, GTK applications look virtually identical to "native" KDE/Qt applications, in that they all use the same Window styles; widget styles; system, window and application fonts; colours; printer settings; language settings; currency formats; etc, etc. Some GTK applications will even support KDE-style dialog boxes.

Surely such an approach is already far less eclectic than some other desktops, such as Windows for example.

Since it already exists, why not just go with that?

Edited 2011-01-19 00:19 UTC

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by segedunum on Wed 19th Jan 2011 14:29 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

That's a theme engine.

Yer, and? It's certainly a big help to desktop and application integration - and guess who wrote it? We'll just paint over that though.......

Read the article again. This is about the settings backend. A theme engine ain't gonna help you there.

This is about integrating applications, not purely about some settings backend. A settings backend by itself certainly won't help you because you've got to agree a format with everyone as to what settings will be stored and how they will be used, and everyone has to buy into it for it to work. The article goes into no detail whatsoever there.

Stop telling people to read the article again when you don't understand the implications within it yourself and Mark Shuttleworth doesn't either.

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RE[5]: Talk about arrogance
by WereCatf on Wed 19th Jan 2011 00:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Talk about arrogance"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

KDE desktops have pretty good support for GTK applications, including settings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK-Qt

If Shuttleworth wants to integrate Qt and GTK applications on the one desktop, which is a perfectly reasonable aspiration, why not just use what already works?


That would mean having KDE as the default desktop instead of GNOME, thus that is absolutely of no help here.

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by lemur2 on Wed 19th Jan 2011 00:23 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

KDE desktops have pretty good support for GTK applications, including settings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK-Qt If Shuttleworth wants to integrate Qt and GTK applications on the one desktop, which is a perfectly reasonable aspiration, why not just use what already works? That would mean having KDE as the default desktop instead of GNOME, thus that is absolutely of no help here.


I'd like to find out why. Plasma is after all very "programmable" and configurable, and could probably be shipped in such a way as to look and behave almost exactly like the GNOME desktop you are used to.

Such a GNOME-mimicking KDE desktop would possibly be more like GNOME now than GNOME 3 and/or Unity desktop would be.

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by mart on Wed 19th Jan 2011 10:14 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
mart Member since:
2005-11-17

That would mean having KDE as the default desktop instead of GNOME, thus that is absolutely of no help here.

the opposite is true as well, the default Qt build supports a theme that paints directly with the GTK engine.

Edited 2011-01-19 10:16 UTC

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by segedunum on Wed 19th Jan 2011 14:32 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

That would mean having KDE as the default desktop instead of GNOME, thus that is absolutely of no help here.

That's the wrong way to be looking at it. It's really a question of what already works and who's actually done the work.

In reality though Qt now does a pretty good job of going in the reverse direction of taking on the Gnome and GTK environment.

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RE[6]: Talk about arrogance
by aunzim on Thu 20th Jan 2011 20:51 in reply to "RE[5]: Talk about arrogance"
aunzim Member since:
2008-07-25

Why not? Is there a religious reason agaisnt KDE? KDE with plasma could be made to look and feel just like Gnome if is that you want. Or a another type of GUI like Unity for instance.

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