Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jan 2011 23:29 UTC, submitted by zegenie
KDE Before we get underway: I'm sorry, we don't have enough headline space to write 'KDE Releases Development Platform, Applications and Plasma Workspaces 4.6.0'. Then again, do any non-anal people every refer to it that way? No? I thought so. In any case, there's a new KDE version out with lots of new features, bug fixes, and performance enhancements.
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RE: Too bad
by nunopinheiro on Thu 27th Jan 2011 16:55 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
nunopinheiro
Member since:
2007-10-07

As the lead designer in Oxygen KDE's design platform, Can I know were do you base your absolute statement???
Note that I'm not saying its perfect its not I know that all to well but... I wonder were do you see that? and in comparison to what?
And is it everything? Is it the icons you don't like? or the wallpaper,,,, maybe its the toolkit? Really I would like to know, Specially I would like to know how come you missed the "IMO" part.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by nt_jerkface on Thu 27th Jan 2011 17:14 in reply to "RE: Too bad"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I wouldn't take him too seriously, you can't please everyone and you don't know his underlying motivation.

Poll the public and they would easily pick KDE over Gnome as the modern desktop.

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RE[3]: Too bad
by mgl.branco on Thu 27th Jan 2011 18:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
mgl.branco Member since:
2009-07-22

I wouldn't take him too seriously, you can't please everyone and you don't know his underlying motivation.


Agree. Just for the record, I adore Oxygen!. It looks current, fresh and different.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by lucas_maximus on Thu 27th Jan 2011 17:25 in reply to "RE: Too bad"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

If you really are, the problem is that many things don't look "right" ... constrast is all over the shop.

Also the task bar items IMO are really hard to read semi-transparent black on a dark background, also the inner glow on the taskbar item's words just looks tacky IMO.

The padding isn't right on the task bar items either.

Edited 2011-01-27 17:26 UTC

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RE[3]: Too bad
by nunopinheiro on Thu 27th Jan 2011 17:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
nunopinheiro Member since:
2007-10-07

Not sure you noticed that there is a under blur of the fonts in reversed color to ensure there is enough contrast.... in relation to any background not just dark ones, still it may vary depending on your font defaults, KDE as no saying on that...
The padding might need some work, but then again its a detail and it as some technical limitations, not sure its that bad...
The part of the glow being tacky, I have no idea what you are talking about....as I don't know what you mean with "contrast is all over the shop" to much to little? what?
Any way unlike most design platforms in OSS, Oxygen is completely open to any one that wants to help just drop by IRC or send me an email with ideas sketches mocks on how to help the overall design of KDE, Oxygen is a completely volunteer based design platform so all help is welcome.

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RE[3]: Too bad
by Soulbender on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Having used KDE 4 for the last couple years I simply have no idea what you're talking about.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by acobar on Thu 27th Jan 2011 17:58 in reply to "RE: Too bad"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Don't bother to ask. He is probably a fanboy of some other DE (or WM, perhaps), jealous that his favorite one can not stand against KDE on technical or aesthetics ground. That kind of troll that does not even try before jump with critics about something he does not know enough about. Was him a bit smart, he would refrain from comment on things without the essential knowledge/experience.

You can not please everyone on aesthetics ground only. Whenever someone publicly condemn something based on what he/she thinks does not "feels right", he should show his own "customized" things on that field. It probably would give us a lot of laugh. Also, what really counts is that KDE can be fully customized with easy to satisfy whoever tries it.

Even though it is not my favorite DE I have to congratulate the KDE team, It is really beautiful out of the box (icons, wallpapers and effects) and some of its applications are the best of the breed of the UI-oriented ones from FOSS-complex.

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RE[3]: Too bad
by nunopinheiro on Thu 27th Jan 2011 18:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
nunopinheiro Member since:
2007-10-07

Thank you so much, and I'm the frist person to know that it still needs alot of work, It is just that after so much work being done out in the open its a bit demotivating wen some one after glance states the absolute "truth", I should know better and not feed the monster but.... ;)
O well next KDE will be better, and thats the magic of it.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by sj87 on Fri 28th Jan 2011 06:09 in reply to "RE: Too bad"
sj87 Member since:
2007-12-16

As the lead designer in Oxygen KDE's design platform, Can I know were do you base your absolute statement???

In my mind the widget theme Oxygen sucks. It looks too legacy. The buttons are ugly, background gradient too harsh. I use the only real option for Oxygen, QtCurve.

Plasma theme is OK. It's just Plasma's taskbar's way of drawing the theme sucks. It doesn't allow for any other button shape than the one with a fixed padding around them.

Edited 2011-01-28 06:10 UTC

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RE[3]: Too bad
by _txf_ on Fri 28th Jan 2011 10:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

too legacy. The buttons are ugly, background gradient too harsh. I use the only real option for Oxygen, QtCurve.


I Imagine most people will say the same of QtCurve. Define what legacy looks like?

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RE[3]: Too bad
by CraigD on Fri 28th Jan 2011 19:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
CraigD Member since:
2011-01-28

As the author of QtCurve, I'm glad you like it.

However, even I have started to use Oxygen (now it has a matching Gtk2 theme). Its in no way perfect (for example, default buttons have no indicator when another widget has focus), but I personally think it is a very beautiful, elegant, and unique theme.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by Soulbender on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:44 in reply to "RE: Too bad"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Bah, don't feed the retarded troll.
Oxygen QT and icon themes are good. Elegant, clean and doesn't get in the way. the plasma theme ain't my favorite though. A bit too dark and it feels a bit, I dunno, clunky. I'm more a fan of Air.

Edited 2011-01-29 15:45 UTC

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