Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jan 2011 23:29 UTC, submitted by zegenie
KDE Before we get underway: I'm sorry, we don't have enough headline space to write 'KDE Releases Development Platform, Applications and Plasma Workspaces 4.6.0'. Then again, do any non-anal people every refer to it that way? No? I thought so. In any case, there's a new KDE version out with lots of new features, bug fixes, and performance enhancements.
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RE[3]: Too bad
by nunopinheiro on Thu 27th Jan 2011 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
nunopinheiro
Member since:
2007-10-07

Not sure you noticed that there is a under blur of the fonts in reversed color to ensure there is enough contrast.... in relation to any background not just dark ones, still it may vary depending on your font defaults, KDE as no saying on that...
The padding might need some work, but then again its a detail and it as some technical limitations, not sure its that bad...
The part of the glow being tacky, I have no idea what you are talking about....as I don't know what you mean with "contrast is all over the shop" to much to little? what?
Any way unlike most design platforms in OSS, Oxygen is completely open to any one that wants to help just drop by IRC or send me an email with ideas sketches mocks on how to help the overall design of KDE, Oxygen is a completely volunteer based design platform so all help is welcome.

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RE[4]: Too bad
by priit on Thu 27th Jan 2011 19:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Too bad"
priit Member since:
2005-07-06

Sorry, missed the IM(H)O part and wasn't really trying to hurt anybody's feelings.

But let's see:
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.6/screenshots/46-w09.png

Taskbar basically has no padding at all. Also I don't see any reason why the text should glow other than that it seems to be the "norm", e.g

http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/screenshots/general-des...

Blue glow? Why? Also bevels (active icons in the second screenshot for example) make the design look too busy and remind me more of CDE.

http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/screenshots/netbook.png

What the glow is going on? In conclusion - KDE's desktop is very busy, some things don't look right (take the add filter button in the second screenshot, it doesn't look right there, it's raised and just pasted on the bar). Less graphical details and cleaner interface would be my suggestion. But hey, really, you can't please everyone.

If you're looking for good samples, have a look at KDE 3.5 screenshot - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Kde-3.5.6-es.png
Even though it has its own shortcomings, it's much cleaner than the current design.

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RE[5]: Too bad
by nunopinheiro on Thu 27th Jan 2011 19:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Too bad"
nunopinheiro Member since:
2007-10-07

to the no pading in first screnshot and because I made it some clarification....
Actually that secrenshot is wrong...Since i dont have a screen that small I had to chage my screens resolution, and unintentionally made the pannel smaller than it is. Thats what cosing the vertical padding issue, well its not terrible and the fact that you can scale the pannel to any size i a plus IMO...

Blue glow for active windows... btw that a screnshot from a previous KDE, its an unobstructive way to say a window is the active one.
the icon selection its not active but selected (its not that common), what do you propose instead???...

And finally you go and get something that is completely different, the netbook layout (also from a previous iteration)... that is pretty hard to judge unless you are using it beeing that all of those elements are animated.
Still the glow on fonts is to make sure its was enough contrast in them against any background... (at the time we did not had blur effect so we need to make sure we have contrast enough specially on the cheep poor quality screens that are sold in some netbooks.

But I will agree with you that the second screenshot is clutered, interestingly enough we were bashed alot in Oxygen for doing exactly what you suggested... Less is more, I will agree that we tend to put to many visible options on kde apps.

The problem is that as a design solution removing features to make a cleaner interface is not a decent solution IMO, and that solutions such as in-lining features actions and notifications is much better, but in our X11 world that was not easy up until recently ago, soo we are working on that lately since many of the fundamental technological problems are being solved, guess how come? Because designers and design is now part of the process, I just hope more people will want to help the process instead of bashing something as "To bad, it is ugly".

Edited 2011-01-27 19:31 UTC

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RE[5]: Too bad
by nunopinheiro on Thu 27th Jan 2011 19:26 in reply to "RE[4]: Too bad"
nunopinheiro Member since:
2007-10-07

double post ingnore

Edited 2011-01-27 19:36 UTC

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RE[5]: Too bad
by acobar on Thu 27th Jan 2011 19:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Too bad"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Taskbar basically has no padding at all. Also I don't see any reason why the text should glow other than that it seems to be the "norm", e.g


You can add a spacer to the panel. Glow is used to improve the contrast. Many systems do that as it allow you to use small letters or colors that otherwise would not be as readable.

Blue glow? Why? Also bevels (active icons in the second screenshot for example) make the design look too busy and remind me more of CDE.


Glow on window I guess. It is a easy way to help identify which one has the focus. Nothing against and it also can be adjusted. Bevels are only used to give a feedback on what is activated. OSX used to "invert" the color what, in my opinion, make things a little more distracting.

If you're looking for good samples, have a look at KDE 3.5 screenshot - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Kde-3.5.6-es.png
Even though it has its own shortcomings, it's much cleaner than the current design.


You must be kidding right? ;-)

As I said, it all boils down to personal aesthetics, and everyone has it owns.

The fact that oxygen icon theme is used on lots of customized icon themes for gnome desktop speaks per se. The interface is clean as it can be while trying to give feedback without compromising its looks. They have my respect for such a bold achievement. It is not perfect or fits everyone number, but KDE is highly customisable and can be adapted to satisfy our very subjective aesthetics senses.

Edited 2011-01-27 19:52 UTC

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