Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Jan 2011 22:28 UTC
Legal "Sony has won its request for a temporary restraining order in its PS3 jailbreak case against Geohot and fail0verflow, despite a jurisdictional technicality. At the same time, the judge at the US District Court for the Northern District of California has allowed Sony to keep the lawsuit in San Francisco. The restraining order forbids the jailbreak team from distributing or linking the jailbreak procedure, or encouraging others to jailbreak or hack their PS3 or PSN. They've also been ordered to turn over any computers or storage media used to create the jailbreak to Sony's lawyers." Land of the free fail.
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RE: This is ludicrous!
by viton on Fri 28th Jan 2011 09:32 UTC in reply to "This is ludicrous!"
viton
Member since:
2005-08-09

doing whatever they want with HARDWARE THEY OWN!!

You own hardware, but you do not own the PSN.
There are a lot of things that depends on console security - paid content distribution / trophies / multiplayer / game modification protection.
Now all that things are lost.
So anyone can pirate software, use trophies unlockers (automatically drawing the system almost useless), cheat in multiplayer, etc
So honest people, who bought games/content, will suffer from it.
GeoHot has accepted license what he will not reverse engineer the thing. And that can lead to certain consequences.

So if for example somebody makes the keys from your home and give it to some random thief. I guess you will be very glad and make that person your best friend.

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RE[2]: This is ludicrous!
by Soulbender on Fri 28th Jan 2011 10:48 in reply to "RE: This is ludicrous!"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

So honest people, who bought games/content, will suffer from it


I guess they should complain to Sony about hiring complete nincompoops to design the security.

GeoHot has accepted license what he will not reverse engineer the thing. And that can lead to certain consequences.


Bullshit. Just because it's in the shrinkwrap license does not mean it's valid by contract law. If he bought it he can do whatever he wants with it. Well, at least that's the rule in sane countries.
Funny how Sony gets away scott-free even when their design is fundamentally flawed.

So if for example somebody makes the keys from your home and give it to some random thief. I guess you will be very glad and make that person your best friend.


No but if you're stupid enough to hide your keys under the doormat it's your own fault.

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RE[3]: This is ludicrous!
by sagum on Fri 28th Jan 2011 14:25 in reply to "RE[2]: This is ludicrous!"
sagum Member since:
2006-01-23

No but if you're stupid enough to hide your keys under the doormat it's your own fault.


Its a bit more then that, its like buying and using a lock and key system where every key ever made for it has the exact same 4 bumps, you can bring along your own key with 4 bumps and unlock any door in the house.
Not only that, but if you unlock the front door, and show your 4 bump key to the alarm system it'll give you detailed directions to the safe box in the house along with the number combo to open it.

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RE[2]: This is ludicrous!
by somebody on Fri 28th Jan 2011 16:26 in reply to "RE: This is ludicrous!"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

if you'd own ps3, you'd know that you don't need to sign to psn to use it. and with that they can only specify your network conducting rules

i'm simply not buying one single sony product, not because i wouldn't want, because i can't. it seems ps3 i bought is just on loan from sony

and keys analogy is flawed. how happy would you be if i sold you house, retain one set of keys and give them to some random thief?

Edited 2011-01-28 16:28 UTC

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RE[2]: This is ludicrous!
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 28th Jan 2011 21:05 in reply to "RE: This is ludicrous!"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

So if for example somebody makes the keys from your home and give it to some random thief. I guess you will be very glad and make that person your best friend.

Ever hear of a bump key? They can open just about any lock, and can easily be made even by yourself if you wanted with just about any spare or old/unused standard-sized key and a cheap, specialized metal file. Not to mention, if you have a lot of keys to deal with with your own property, they'd probably be a hell of a lot more convenient replacing them all with... one key. You'd just need something to "bump" it with.

YouTube hosts plenty of videos demonstrating just how easy it is to make and use bump keys. Physical locks, in reality, are no more secure against attacks than Sony's PS3 root key. Hell, all a burgler needs to do is find a big enough rock somewhere (hint: they're everywhere) to throw at a window and bypass the door (including lock) entirely. If that for some reason can't be done, other objects--including hands and feet--could be used to strike against the glass.

So really, bad example: standard locks can be broken just as well as cryptographic keys can be cracked. Nothing's really "secure" and all locks do is provide you with a sense of security by making it just a bit harder to open a door. Nothing more. You could say it's the McAfee or Norton for physical doors; a false sense of security.

Edited 2011-01-28 21:08 UTC

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RE[2]: This is ludicrous!
by FunkyELF on Fri 28th Jan 2011 21:29 in reply to "RE: This is ludicrous!"
FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

"doing whatever they want with HARDWARE THEY OWN!!

You own hardware, but you do not own the PSN.
There are a lot of things that depends on console security - paid content distribution / trophies / multiplayer / game modification protection.
Now all that things are lost.
So anyone can pirate software, use trophies unlockers (automatically drawing the system almost useless), cheat in multiplayer, etc
So honest people, who bought games/content, will suffer from it.
GeoHot has accepted license what he will not reverse engineer the thing. And that can lead to certain consequences.

So if for example somebody makes the keys from your home and give it to some random thief. I guess you will be very glad and make that person your best friend.
"

Most of what you say is very true.
I respect Sony's wishes to maintain the integrity of their network but remember why this all happened in the first place.

This happened when Sony took away the ability to run Linux. That ability was an advertised feature of the console and the reason why a lot of the hackers bought the thing in the first place.

It just so happens that hoops to jump through to get Linux running again are the same hoops needed for piracy and cheating.

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