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RE[3]: Comment by LighthouseJ
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 8th Feb 2011 14:02
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But the real point that you've dodged is that these cables simply do not reveal anything new that we did not already know.
Then why the witch hunt? Why hate Assange for revealing something you apparently already knew? If you claim all this information was known anyway, then the US' attempts at trying to silence him are even worse.
I do laugh at you comparing the US to the openness of China though. Go and ask them about being open to acknowledging Taiwan and Tibet, them jailing the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize Winner Liu Xiaobo, etc... oh Thom, you kill me.
I'm not comparing their openness. I'm actually contrasting them. China is not open and free, but is honest about that. They don't claim to be a free and open nation. The US, on the other hand, claims to be free and open, while in fact they're decidedly not.
Tell me - which is easier to work with and trust - a country you know is not free and open but doesn't claim to be, or a country which claims to be free and open but in fact isn't?
Edited 2011-02-08 14:02 UTC
RE[3]: Comment by LighthouseJ
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 8th Feb 2011 14:14
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Lastly, of course the US has invasion plans to a lot of countries, but that's what you do with a massive defense budget. I think it's done more of an exercise so the US can think as devious as any other country that might want to invade the US.
It's more than plans actually. It's a law. Ever heard of the The Hague Invasion Act?
Can you blame me for mistrusting a nation that has a law which orders them to invade my own country (a supposed ally) if the International Criminal Court - a widely recognised UN body - were to ever hold an American soldier? Until said act is repealed, I, as a Dutch citizen, have every reason to consider the US government a threat to the sovereignty and safety of my own country.
RE[4]: Comment by LighthouseJ
by Vinegar Joe on Tue 8th Feb 2011 14:49
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RE[4]: Comment by LighthouseJ
by earksiinni on Tue 8th Feb 2011 17:51
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funny that my post gets modded down. it's getting even more predictable around here.
So, you just tell me to re-read reports, what, until I agree with you, because you're correct?
And your entire 2nd point is completely off-topic with my original post and your article, and frankly shows your naked prejudiced reasons for posting these anti-US articles.
I don't disagree that the US has flaws and flawed people, most I believe won't. But the real point that you've dodged is that these cables simply do not reveal anything new that we did not already know. Rather, people like yourself treat it like some massive revelation and that now is the downward turning point for the United States, when it's what you've secretly wanted for a long time.
I'm fine with bringing those people before a judge, but if you think the leaked documents reveal who they are, then they've missed the mark. All they were intended to do is to harm the relationships between the US and other countries, and then isolate the US.
Lastly, of course the US has invasion plans to a lot of countries, but that's what you do with a massive defense budget. I think it's done more of an exercise so the US can think as devious as any other country that might want to invade the US.
I do laugh at you comparing the US to the openness of China though. Go and ask them about being open to acknowledging Taiwan and Tibet, them jailing the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize Winner Liu Xiaobo, etc... oh Thom, you kill me.
You, and others too, should get to know the United States more.