Linked by fran on Tue 8th Feb 2011 18:08 UTC
Apple "A new report suggests that Apple may be planning to eliminate retail boxed software from its Apple Stores, instead focusing on promoting the Mac App Store for software sales. This is indeed a trend that Apple has been pushing for a while, but not all the software that Apple sells would necessarily be a great fit for pure digital distribution."
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RE[3]: Expected move
by rhavyn on Tue 8th Feb 2011 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Expected move"
rhavyn
Member since:
2005-07-06

"2. How is Apple choosing to not stock boxed software in their stores have anything to do with the ipadification of anything? For the most part, the only boxed software in an Apple store is Apple's software, there is very little third party stuff. Have you been in an Apple store?

Quickly had a look, but when I look for Apple hardware I tend to prefer "premium resellers" as they are easier to access where I live.

From what I see there and at apple.com, Apple controls a large part of the Mac software market. If they enforce that all software under their control is only available through the Mac store system (and what's mentioned in this article are some steps in that direction), this means that the majority of Mac software will only be available by this mean, forcing users to get used to it whether they like it or not.
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First, at least from what I saw, this article was specifically about the Apple retail stores, not store.apple.com. Second, "all the software under their control," is the software developed by Apple. Everything available in a box at the Apple store is also available at, for example, Amazon. Unless you think Apple can stop Amazon from selling software, I'm not sure how Apple is forcing anyone from doing anything.

Afterwards, as the most commonly needed software and some other one is only available on the Mac Store, software distributed on CD or websites becomes the exception rather than the norm. Under customer pressure of lazy users who want all in one place and won't look elsewhere, remaining software ends up having a choice between putting a copy of their software on the Mac store too or disappearing.


Software on all operating systems is increasingly only going to be available through "Application Stores" specific for that operating system, specifically because it's more convenient for the customers. Calling people "lazy" because they don't do things the way you want them to is a quick way to lose your customers.

After a while, Apple declares that software distribution outside of the Mac Store is unsafe/legacy/helping piracy/whatever excuse they may come up with, and removes the ability to do this.

Net result : Apple gets 30% on every sale and absolute control on which apps mac users have access to. In short, ipadification.


Or they don't.

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RE[4]: Expected move
by nt_jerkface on Tue 8th Feb 2011 21:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Expected move"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Software on all operating systems is increasingly only going to be available through "Application Stores" specific for that operating system, specifically because it's more convenient for the customers.


LOL, other operating systems...as if consumers are choosing between 10 of them.

Apple keeps setting bad precedents and is providing rationalizations for MS to follow in their path.

Apple is a control-freak company and it goes well beyond convenience. They could make software purchases easier and safer without taking a cut and filtering the submissions.

If Apple controlled every computer you wouldn't be able to download hustler since Jobs has some weird hatred of adult magazines. God knows what else he would ban if he could. He probably would anoint himself culture czar and filter whatever comes through the internet. He also hates video games even though they make up the bulk of app store purchases.

Apple's control shenanigans were just kind of silly when they had a tiny market share but now they are leading the charge towards a total control model where all software only exists by the permission of the OS company and the user merely pays for temporary access.

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RE[5]: Expected move
by rhavyn on Tue 8th Feb 2011 23:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Expected move"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"Software on all operating systems is increasingly only going to be available through "Application Stores" specific for that operating system, specifically because it's more convenient for the customers.


LOL, other operating systems...as if consumers are choosing between 10 of them.
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Off the top of my head ...

1. Windows Phone
2. Android
3. Symbian
4. Blackberry
5. Ubuntu, IIRC, is working on something and every other Linux distro has their default package list
6. iOS
7. OS X
8. Windows 8 (likely)

Not 10, but close.

Apple keeps setting bad precedents and is providing rationalizations for MS to follow in their path.


How is an application store a bad precedent?

Apple is a control-freak company and it goes well beyond convenience. They could make software purchases easier and safer without taking a cut and filtering the submissions.


Would you care to point out any store (not just app store, literally any store online or one that you can walk into in person) that doesn't filter it's product selection and take a cut of the sale.

If Apple controlled every computer you wouldn't be able to download hustler since Jobs has some weird hatred of adult magazines. God knows what else he would ban if he could. He probably would anoint himself culture czar and filter whatever comes through the internet. He also hates video games even though they make up the bulk of app store purchases.


So you think Apple is about to have 100% marketshare of all computers, smartphones, tablets, etc.?

Apple's control shenanigans were just kind of silly when they had a tiny market share but now they are leading the charge towards a total control model where all software only exists by the permission of the OS company and the user merely pays for temporary access.


Users have been paying for temporary access to their software for decades. And, last I checked, there are even (unsupported and for jail broken phones only) alternative app stores for iOS devices. What evidence exists anywhere that the current situation would change?

Additionally, I don't understand the focus on Apple. Literally every operating system is going to have an application store by default. Most of them already do (in my list only Windows doesn't today). Do you think Apple or Steve Jobs is going to dictate what's available on the Windows Phone app store? How about the new Amazon Android app store?

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RE[5]: Expected move
by bert64 on Fri 11th Feb 2011 11:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Expected move"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

You can't make software purchases easier and safer without at the very least filtering submissions (otherwise people can simply submit malware), and no for-profit company would do that without taking a cut either.

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