Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Feb 2011 00:04 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Speaking of Nokia - Engadget got their hands on what is supposedly an internal memo sent to Nokia employees by the company's new CEO. It's... Brutal. As in, brutally honest. There's no sugar-coating here, no unicorns, no glitter. "Nokia, our platform is burning." Update: Android is probably out of the question. Will it be Windows Phone 7, after all? Damn; Palm tonight, Nokia Friday - what a week for mobile! Update: The "Communities Dominate Brands" blog published an in-depth analysis of the memo, which claims with sound arguments that it might well be a hoax.
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RE[5]: ... - common users
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 9th Feb 2011 19:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: ... - common users"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Well... Kinda.

I mean *both* android, webos, and even the iphone ( based off osx which is benefited at one point from BSD) are as good as they are because of those benefits of open systems finally making their way into better products that consumers can experience.

The increase in openness wasn't always apparent back in 1980 when Bill Joy was hacking on BSD. He probably wasn't thinking of the benefits to a apple computer device that woudl be more powerful than any of berkley's computers. But everyone (who uses an iphone) benefited from his work.


Nor was the benefit of a free and open kernel unix like kernel apparent in 1991 when Linus first posted it to the world. No doubt the idea of an arm based phone used by millions running it as its kernel would have been jeered at. Yet again we Android users all benefited from that.

So yes everyday users do benefit from open systems, even when they don't realise it. But, they don't buy a device because of its openness. They buy the devices for the cool features the openness has enabled.

So, can anyone tell me what the "ahead of its time" features were of the n900 that would cause a non developer to purchase it over the contemporary phones of its day?

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RE[6]: ... - common users
by vivainio on Wed 9th Feb 2011 20:13 in reply to "RE[5]: ... - common users"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


So, can anyone tell me what the "ahead of its time" features were of the n900 that would cause a non developer to purchase it over the contemporary phones of its day?


Image. Whenever you see a guy with N900, you know he's someone you want to hire for whatever IT company you have going at the time ;-).

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RE[6]: ... - common users
by jabbotts on Wed 9th Feb 2011 20:18 in reply to "RE[5]: ... - common users"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I was thinking shorter term benefits:

- bug is reported in platform X
- bug is promptly fixed affecting platforms X Y Z
- regular users of X Y and Z recieve the patch update in much shorter time mitigating the attack window, improving stability or whatever

You really don't need to reach back to the down of BSD and spin it out.

In terms of regular users and the N900? I can only hazard a guess:
- it's pretty (we're talking regular users here right?)
- camera on front and back
- excelent quality main camera (stomps all over Iphone's)
- slider keyboard (onscreen sucks)
- good battery life
- connect and/or charge from standard microUSB (they'll recognize that they can easily find a cable to charge off at least)
- good spread of supported cell technologies for regular users who travel
- 64 gigs of storage space (I'm not sure when the first 64 gig Iphone shipped.. think it was after)
- native Exchange sync support for the business regular users

The turn-offs; price asked by Nokia, lack of carrier sponsorship (no three year contract and 100$ N900 from my provider anyhow), lack of marketing and markets receiving product (it was how long before available in Canada and the US?). Also the app issue if you can't live without a function only available through another device or can't live without running the same game/app title as all your friends.

Even with Meego and ongoing Nokia rumors, apps are still being added and updated in the N900's repositories. Regular users probably don't recognize it in detail but they would recognize the additions of titles (yeah, Apple and Google's title counts have since eclipsed Maemo's library but I don't find as much repetition either).

For me, it was more nerdy things of course:
- an upgrade path from the N810 which happened to include a cell radio
- continued use of Maemo (nice and close to a Debian full distro)
- continued use of collected apps outside of Maemo repositories (scappy, metasploit...)
- ability to cross-compile debian packages (see Debfarm for example)
- developer and user friendly vendor not looking to lock me out of my own purchased hardware
- native integration into my home network and existing apps thanks to rsync/ssh/zim/
- easy of sync over network from any Internet connection (rsync/ssh again)

Turn offs; I reboot about once every three to six weeks for stability (I have a lot installed and use the device pretty hard), multi-touch would be handy and should have been included in the first place (believe that's a BS patent thing though), headphone jack in the way beside the keyboard and/or long strait connector on headphone wire instead of a nice manageable 90 degree bend.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think you are right about the front and rear cameras, it may have been the first.

I wasn't saying it was a bad phone, its just wasn't light years ahead of anything out there, and it was behind in several areas as well as you pointed out.

It didn't capture the imagination of the casual user when released, and they haven't released any other phone like it since.

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RE[7]: ... - common users
by daveak on Thu 10th Feb 2011 22:10 in reply to "RE[6]: ... - common users"
daveak Member since:
2008-12-29

There is no 64 gig iPhone.

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