Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Feb 2011 23:29 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems And, of course, just as I decide to leave the live blogging to play a game of Left 4 Dead 2, HP drops the big bombshell right at the end of their press event: webOS is coming to PCs!
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RE: Comment by Laurence
by matto1990 on Thu 10th Feb 2011 01:04 UTC in reply to "Comment by Laurence"
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Not to mention the fact that JS (compiled or not) will never out perform Objective C / .NET


I agree with the article that this will be for the consumer devices only, so who cares about the speed of the underlying language? Consumers generally only need computers for web, email and maybe a bit of social networking. If they do play games then on an OS like WebOS it's more likely to be casual games.

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RE[2]: Comment by Laurence
by Laurence on Thu 10th Feb 2011 01:26 in reply to "RE: Comment by Laurence"
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I agree with the article that this will be for the consumer devices only, so who cares about the speed of the underlying language? Consumers generally only need computers for web, email and maybe a bit of social networking. If they do play games then on an OS like WebOS it's more likely to be casual games.

That's not entirely true though. If consumers buy a laptop / desktop, then it's because they wanted/needed to do more than just go online or play a few games.
It's because - and at the very minimum of their usage - they have letters to type, personal accounts to tabulate or photos to crop and print.
Many might have software they need for work - from interactive whiteboards to bespoke solutions. Or perhaps they're studying at college / university and want to run the same software suites at home.

The fact is, most people who buy a laptop or desktop do so intentionally because they want the potential flexibility that comes with a fully-fledged desktop OS. Thus if they only wanted to surf the web or play games, they'd buy a tablet PC (and we've seen proof of this with how popular internet-ready gadgets have been of late). WebOS just can't compete with OS X terms of productivity thus suggesting WebOS is part of HPs plans to phase out Windows and become HP's own Mac OS - as Thom suggested - is completely bonkers.

Obviously there will be people who just want to browser some HTML yet will still prefer a laptop. There will always be exceptions to the rule. However while the majority of people only surf the net the majority of the time; I think it's grossly unfair to say that's all they do all the time.

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by Moochman on Thu 10th Feb 2011 04:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
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Generally, I tend agree with you, but your examples are really weak. "they have letters to type, personal accounts to tabulate or photos to crop and print." These are all things that webOS could easily excel at. Heck, have you taken a survey of all the online office suites and photo-management tools out now? Many of them approach the functionality and power of native software--and manage to perform snappily while they're at it.

For "creatives" such as myself (a developer and sometimes musician) it will be a long time before the traditional desktop can be replaced. For many average use cases however the barriers are blurring fast.

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by daedalus on Thu 10th Feb 2011 08:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
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I'm not so sure about consumers needing to do their accounts etc. I guess it boils down to which consumers you know. I know I need a lot of flexibility from a computer, but I know plenty of people who buy laptops because they find their phone is too small for using Facebook, and because Farmville or Cafe World doesn't work on their phones. That's all. For these people, all they need is a web browser, a Flash implementation, and some way of uploading photos from their camera to Facebook. The only reason they use Windows is because Macs are too expensive and that's what their laptop came with. WebOS or Android would be great alternatives for these people who "need" a proper keyboard and decent sized screen so they can keep an eye on their cafe customers while watching tv.

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RE[2]: Comment by Laurence
by nt_jerkface on Thu 10th Feb 2011 16:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by Laurence"
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Consumers generally only need computers for web, email and maybe a bit of social networking.


I've seen this claimed for years but it never pans out in the real world.

Everyone I meet depends on at least one desktop application. This web-only group seems like an internet creation.

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by daedalus on Thu 10th Feb 2011 17:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
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I live with two girls who could get by on pretty much anything, but both have high-powered, hot-running Vista-based laptops for their internet. One buys clothes online, books cinema tickets and plays Farmville and Cafe world a lot (and I mean an unhealthy amount)... The odd time she opens a Word file or whatever but uses OpenOffice for that, or GoogleDocs if it's something she got in her email. That's the whole of it! The other girl looks up TV listings and uses Skype a lot, but doesn't even have an office suite installed. Granted, they're probably not the majority, but in my eyes they're two "average" users.

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by Lennie on Thu 10th Feb 2011 19:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
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I know many people who just use Ubuntu for office, printing, email, webbrowsing and that works fine. For years now.

What else do these people need ?

Do only thing special might be that our government was smart enough to make a cross-platform application for doing taxes. So that too is able to run on Linux.

Edited 2011-02-10 19:10 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by Praxis on Thu 10th Feb 2011 19:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
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2009-09-17

are we stuck in yet another how people use their computers debate. This is old.

Sure some people absolute need certain programs, and engineer might be tied to a particular CAD program, because he needs to be able to share he work with all of his coworker, everyone needs to be using compatable programs. Accountants are likewise probably best served by using the same spreadsheet program, and you can come up with a million examples of people who could not possible use another OS for some reason or another. And its tempting to looks at that list of people who simply cannot move and see what platform most of them are on and declare that platform the winner for all time.

But sometimes simplicity is a need too and that can often be achieved by deliberately not supporting some features. There is a place for a limited OS in the world, you can't discount some people needs for simplicty just because others have a need for complexity.

Of course sometimes it not always necessary to compromise, which is what HP is probably hoping for with webos. It will ship alongside windows in some way, either through instant on, virtualization, an emulator or something else. I am certainly at least interesting in how it turns out.

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