Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 17th Feb 2011 00:14 UTC
Apple Well, it might be safe to say that Apple's own engineers stopped testing their Apple apps with 3.x iOS devices, and have created bugs that make these apps unusable. This is to be somewhat expected, Apple has a track record of not-so-great backwards compatibility (on the Mac), but what we also expected was to not get these broken updates forced to us. It's one thing to stop updating the firmware of older iOS models, and another thing breaking them.
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kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Sure, no problem. Google's own apps and services still work without a problem on Android 1.5 phones, an OS version released in April 2009 (which is the OLDEST version of Android still out there on handsets). Remember, the problematic iOS 3.1.2 firmware version is NEWER than Android 1.5. It is NOT a matter of how old the handset is, but how old the firmware is, because the bugs I see are software-related, not driver/hardware-based.


But even then there are applications that didn't transition so well from interpreted to JIT - I can't name the exact names but I do remember people running Android 2.2 and finding that some 1.6 applications didn't run so well. As noted in another post I made, they need to have a minimum required so that updates aren't offered to customers running older iOS versions where the newer version of the application requires a newer version to function properly.

So, going back to Android, the new Android versions of these apps were released by Google, but they were not forced on these older handsets, they only made available on the new firmware versions only (versions that the software was actually tested on). I ask nothing more of Apple too.


Agreed.

It is your right to see the issue as a simple bug awaiting fixing, but I don't share your opinion. One after the other the Apple apps are reproducibly broken on these older devices (2 official Apple apps in 1.5 months), so I see this as the beginning of the end. Sure the OS might still load, but if most of your apps don't work anymore, what good is it? It'd be practically-speaking, a brick. We're not at that point yet, but if this trends continues, and Apple/devs are not more careful on how they mark their apps compatible as, these devices will be practically unusable in just a few short months.


But hang on for a second, lets back up the car and look at the situation - you're running a device that is over 4 years old, I'd say that is pretty damn good if you ask me where most people would have updated already. This goes back to what I said about Android and why I raised it; with Apple you got 4 years of functionality out of a device and in the case of an Android device it is a 'brick' within 6 months. I can understand your frustration regarding the application but I'm confused how you consider a device 4 years old not a good indication of a company actually giving a flying continental about its customers.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

NathanHill blustered...

Apple was willing to send engineers to see the software problem in action? And you are complaining that they are bricking your device and/or don't support it? What? I wish Apple engineers would come to my house when something was the matter.


So does Eugenia. Read the article--those engineers never came.

kaiwai sneered...
She has a buggy application - her whole device didn't 'brick'. A bricked device would mean her whole operating system image was corrupted in some way and is unable to either boot or recovered. From what I read it was a buggy application due to some shoddy testing and setup at Apple's end


No, this is more than an application issue--this is a corruption of the entire ecosystem. Apple's excuse for having such a locked down app store has been that they so rigorously test the applications they allow in the store. This is why all apps have to be approved, why Apple demands money up front and then a cut of the profits, etc. Because they test everything.

Having the Apple App Store claim an app is available for your device which doesn't work on your device is simply not acceptable. They need to either test everything or stop demanding so much for so little.

kaiwai declared...
you're running a device that is over 4 years old, I'd say that is pretty damn good if you ask me where most people would have updated already.


It's an iPod Touch. A music and video player that runs some simple applications...hey! That makes it a computer! You don't replace your still functioning computer every four years or less do you? Why should anyone replace their iPod Touch that soon when it is still functional in hardware and only poorly tested application and operating system updates that are causing the issues? Issues that given Apple's software ecosystem should not exist?

The same thing with the iPhone, only it also makes phone calls. It's a portable computer which is still functional in hardware, just suffering through issues that should not exist considering the Apple application ecosystem. Considering that they are planning on adding App Stores to their desktops and laptops in the next revision of their operating system this development does not leave me feeling very happy. I was considering a MacBook my next time out as my eeepc is starting to feel its age, but with this type of support I'm no longer so sure...

--bornagainpenguin

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