Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Thu 17th Feb 2011 17:49 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless So the writing is on the wall. In a very bold move, Nokia's new CEO, Stephen Elop, has decided to fully ditch Nokia's migration plan for the past few years and have the company embrace his former employer's operating system, Windows Phone 7, instead. This noticeably implied getting rid of two competitors, Symbian and the upcoming MeeGo, which were both put on the road to slow death. This article aims at saying goodbye to an old citizen of the mobile space who's now heading to its grave: Symbian. (Warning: Rant ahead)
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RE[2]: I thought...
by Neolander on Thu 17th Feb 2011 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE: I thought..."
Neolander
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the right strategy was to go Linux and do what was necessary to maintain some control over their platform.

Hmmm... I think we've already seen how capable Linux is on current phone hardware. It only works well on handsets which cost the price of a good laptop, and barely last longer than said laptop on battery ;)

I've really got nothing against Linux on high-end phones, but on mid-end phones it's simply not right at the moment, and will probably remain so for a long time.

Thus, as long as Nokia did not want to become Apple and only sell high-end hardware, or to become LG and stop caring about the quality of user experience and start to shove Linux on hardware where it obviously doesn't run well, Symbian had to somehow remain part of the equation. Nokia could also work on a Linux-based system in parallel (which they did), but they couldn't fully dump Symbian that easily.

Edited 2011-02-17 18:43 UTC

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RE[3]: I thought...
by Moredhas on Thu 17th Feb 2011 22:33 in reply to "RE[2]: I thought..."
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2008-04-10

But haven't they just doomed themselves to a high-end only strategy? You never see a Windows phone now with a CPU less than 1GHz, and pretty soon, those will be obsolete (providing manufacturers of WP7 handsets jump on the Tegra 2 bandwagon. Does WP7 even support multiple cores?). I don't know about other countries, but in Australia at least, Nokia is what people want when they want something that's just a phone. Every customer of mine thinks Nokias are easy to use (an opinion I don't share - they only think they're easy to use because all they do is talk and MAYBE text), and if Nokia are moving to a WP7 only future, it will be the death of their dumbphone market, the one place where they have clear supremacy over other companies.

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RE[4]: I thought...
by l3v1 on Fri 18th Feb 2011 07:12 in reply to "RE[3]: I thought..."
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2005-07-06

an opinion I don't share - they only think they're easy to use because all they do is talk and MAYBE text


Hell, it's a phone... One of my cousins recently bought a ~10 year old Nokia, replaced the batteries and is a happy camper. I understand him, if you want a phone, which you actually use for real communication (yeah, that is voice) then simplicity, small size, and >7 days of battery is a real blessing.

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RE[4]: I thought...
by aliquis on Fri 18th Feb 2011 18:48 in reply to "RE[3]: I thought..."
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2005-07-23

S40 will stay for low-end. And then there's S60/Symbian^1 and Symbian^3 where the later will be around for at least (?) two years. Plus they will push WP down lower on the ladder. So no. I think they have plenty of bases covered.

However maybe the low-end phones could had get S60 or Symbian^3 instead? But if price and battery consumption is the most important factors maybe not. I think Nokia know how to handle the un-developed market.

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RE[3]: I thought...
by No it isnt on Fri 18th Feb 2011 00:51 in reply to "RE[2]: I thought..."
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

The low-end Android phones don't have to be that bad. My X10 Mini gets four days when only idling (or a few hours of Angry Birds), it's fairly snappy, but only 600 MHz. Of course, I've tweaked it a bit with a new home screen and using link2sd to save memory, and the modest QVGA screen means it doesn't have to push so many pixels.

It costs less than the cheapest netbooks.

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RE[3]: I thought...
by benmhall on Fri 18th Feb 2011 02:05 in reply to "RE[2]: I thought..."
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2006-03-08

Hmmm... I think we've already seen how capable Linux is on current phone hardware. It only works well on handsets which cost the price of a good laptop, and barely last longer than said laptop on battery ;)


Spoken like someone who hasn't used Palm's WebOS on the Pre. That is certainly a mid-range device (500MHz) and costs $150 outright from Bell, and is then eligible for a $15/month discount. I would easily get 2 days out of a charge with light use. And it's a simple & elegant OS with an excellent notification system.

WebOS can sing on mediocre hardware. In fact, some might argue that mediocre is the only hardware WebOS has seen. (Posted by someone who owns and loves his Palm Pre 2, despite the many flaws.)

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RE[4]: I thought...
by Neolander on Fri 18th Feb 2011 07:02 in reply to "RE[3]: I thought..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Carrier discounts are carrier- and country-dependent, that's why I only consider the unlocked price (which is the price at which I buy phones atm anyway). AFAIK, the Pre has never been sold unlocked around here, though...

PS : 500 MHz is not what I'd call mediocre hardware ^^ That's pretty powerful already, if you put the right OS on top of it. I remember a time where this was the basis for a good gaming PC...

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RE[3]: I thought...
by aliquis on Fri 18th Feb 2011 18:46 in reply to "RE[2]: I thought..."
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

You can get a ZTE or Huawei Android device for less than a Nokia C6/C7/N8. Is it slower than the fastest devices? Yeah most likely.

Regardless I think you can get Linux to work to. And I assume MeeGo is pretty stripped. And hardware specs will just improve.

Sad about Symbian though. Such a capable OS. It got multitasking, the E7 can use Exchange, still do some Office work, VPN, most likely act as a hotspot (with additional software at least), their co-operation with IBM and Lotus would probably had gone somewhere? So on so on. But it's not dead yet and it will be improved for a while. And maybe we'll see MeeGo devices to if they lift of / once they are ready. At least I guess WP gives a low developer threshold which let more people develop more in less time. Which obviously also got it's benefit.

Guess Symbian is all functionality and little glitter. Whereas iPhone was all glitter and little functionality ;)

I wish them the very best. (And in a perfect world I would had wanted to see Nokia as still being the market leader shipping Symbian, MeeGo, WP and Android devices =P, eventually all with the same OVIstore and QT on top ;) )

Guess WP will do well for games ;)
(They don't sell on Android anyway, if Sony-Ericsson Play Playstation is sony-Ericsson exclusive I don't see how it will fly so that leaves iOS and Microsoft/Xbox Live for gaming.)

Exciting times ahead. Hope the company can still add some Nokia finnish to their products even in the future ;)

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