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Gnome "Gnome Shell 2.91.90 was released yesterday getting some fine adjustments according to the release announcement: 'This release just about concludes user interface changes anticipated before GNOME 3.0. The only significant change we expect after this release is to add a native network indicator based on NetworkManager 0.9.' Gnome Shell 2.91.90 brings new automatic workspaces, removed minimize and maximize buttons from window titlebars, a PolicyKit authentication agent and more."
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RE: Very nice, but......
by pandronic on Fri 25th Feb 2011 07:28 UTC in reply to "Very nice, but......"
pandronic
Member since:
2006-05-18

there is nowhere to minimize a window because Gnome Shell doesn't have a window list like the old Gnome panels


WTF? This trend of not having a proper window list bugs me to no end. For this I simply loathe the Mac OS X dock and the default Win7 taskbar behavior. If that wasn't enough, now Gnome has to join the "hip" party.

How am I suppose to work with two windows of the same application?

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RE[2]: Very nice, but......
by Karitku on Fri 25th Feb 2011 09:14 in reply to "RE: Very nice, but......"
Karitku Member since:
2006-01-12


How am I suppose to work with two windows of the same application?

Tabs GranPa, Tabs. It's time to say good by multiple windows of same programs.

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RE[3]: Very nice, but......
by Neolander on Fri 25th Feb 2011 10:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Very nice, but......"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

+1. If only tabs were a standard feature of windows managers and graphics toolkits so that applications with multiple windows can be made to use a tabbed or docked layout easily...

You know, something like the tabbed windows of Safari 4 betas and recent releases of KDE, but in a much more polished way.

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RE[3]: Very nice, but......
by pandronic on Fri 25th Feb 2011 11:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Very nice, but......"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

+1 for tabs, but not all applications support tabs.

Another problem might be if you have multiple activities using the same application (for example let's say that in my browser I have 5 tabs for one project and 5 for another). You can solve this using Tab Groups in Firefox 4 or Linux's virtual desktops (not the half-assed implementation Apple calls Spaces).

Also tabs should be provided by the OS in an unified way, not by every app in its own unique way.

Until all this is supported ... I think it's a bit premature to do away with multiple windows.

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RE[3]: Very nice, but......
by phoenix on Fri 25th Feb 2011 20:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Very nice, but......"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Tabs are not a replacement for proper window management.

How do you show the content of two tabs side-by-side (or one above the other) in the same app? Very easy to do with two windows.

How do you create a 2x2 square of four tabs? Very easy to do with 4 windows.

Once you start adding those features to a tabbed interface, you are back to an MDI interface, and lose all the benefits of tabs.

A proper task manager, with proper window management (Windows 7 dwm is crap in this department), gives you the best of all worlds: windows, tabs, and tasks.

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RE[2]: Very nice, but......
by sorpigal on Fri 25th Feb 2011 11:55 in reply to "RE: Very nice, but......"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

Silly user! No one needs to work with two windows from the same application! Or, if you need that you can click extra times! It's not as if convenience for common use cases like this is as important as following an artist's mockup that looks pretty.

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RE[3]: Very nice, but......
by muszek on Fri 25th Feb 2011 13:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Very nice, but......"
muszek Member since:
2007-04-25

Usage scenarios with 2 windows of the same app, off the top of my head:
* I'm using a web browser and want to open another window in anonymous mode (I do quite often to log in as another user on websites I create - this way I don't kill the original session).
* chat windows in IM programs (Pidgin) are separate from the main window (the one with a buddy list).
* open some app as root (a text editor would be a common example)
* GIMP's interface is multi-windowed.

I'm using Docky on the left on "older" Gnome (2.32), placed on the left (the same as on the video in TFA). There's a option (AFAIR not a default) to have an indicator next to dock icons that tells that there are multiple windows open. Right click brings a contextual menu that lets me choose a window to be focused. It's not very handy (I'd like a left click on an icon to toggle focused windows).

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RE[3]: Very nice, but......
by dizzey on Sat 26th Feb 2011 12:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Very nice, but......"
dizzey Member since:
2005-10-15

I hope you are sarcastic. making pcb's in eagle for exampel you want to use the schematic editor and the layout editor at the same time. interaction in one window will result in changes in th other editor.

but then i would say that the proper solution is two monitors or putting the windows on different workspace.

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RE[2]: Very nice, but......
by kaiwai on Sat 26th Feb 2011 06:09 in reply to "RE: Very nice, but......"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Easy, right click on the icon and select from the list - is it really that hard? really?

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RE[3]: Very nice, but......
by pandronic on Sat 26th Feb 2011 06:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Very nice, but......"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

is it really that hard?


When discussing usability this is not a question you want to ask your users.

And, yes, it is that hard, being one of the most used features of an OS, you lose time over and over again. Also you lose perspective - you don't have an overview all the time.

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