Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Mon 28th Feb 2011 11:23 UTC, submitted by Joao Luis
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Now that the dust has settled after Stephen Elop's big announcement on the 11th February 2011, many have come to realise that actually Nokia's move towards a a new Ecosystem is not as bad as what they thought. [...] But what does all this mean for the Nokia Developers? When the proposed partnership with Microsoft was announced, many felt betrayed and worried about their future, but after having heard and assisted a number of workshops at the Nokia Developer Day at this years Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, earlier this month, their outlook towards the new ecosystem has taken a 180 degree turn and are now looking at the proposed partnership with a lot more enthusiasm, recognising the potential it will bring them in the coming months."
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Nelson
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2005-11-29


Answer a few market place facts. Everyone else making WP7 devices is also Making Android. So competitors will make profit no matter what OS makes it. Nokia is bound basically to 1 OS. Not healthy really.


The difference is in Nokia licensing their Ovi Maps and other technology to carriers, which is a revenue stream outside of direct WP7 sales.

However, Symbian wont just disappear, and they've actively said they're continuing to use MeeGo as an experimental OS, so whatever comes at that will fuel the next major landscape change in the industry.


Android devices will start turning up Dual OS. Android for general usage. Ubuntu or some other arm based Linux for when docked. WP7 phones currently don't have a docked mode.


I really think this is a gimmick, I personally just can't see how well this will be received. However, saying that it is coming to Android(as in not here yet, except for what has been reviewed as crappy Atrix implementation), and chiding WP7 for not having it yet is somewhat of a double standard.


Feature Phones that are most of Nokia market is a dieing breed. Reason Android Smart Phones are turning up at the same price.


The key is to upscale feature phone customers to smart phones, and that is achieved by pushing Windows Phone 7 to the mid range. Given the fact that Windows Phone 7 runs smoother using older generation Snapdragons than these new flashy dual core snapdragons and Tegras, I don't think it should be too much of a problem.


Nokia will be needing to make themselves new market.


Hey, this is by no means assured. They will have to try, but this was their best way forward.

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oiaohm Member since:
2009-05-30

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Answer a few market place facts. Everyone else making WP7 devices is also Making Android. So competitors will make profit no matter what OS makes it. Nokia is bound basically to 1 OS. Not healthy really.


The difference is in Nokia licensing their Ovi Maps and other technology to carriers, which is a revenue stream outside of direct WP7 sales.

However, Symbian wont just disappear, and they've actively said they're continuing to use MeeGo as an experimental OS, so whatever comes at that will fuel the next major landscape change in the industry.
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Problem here. MeeGo is to the point it needs real world devices. There is only so much you can test in a emulator. Also no one makes apps for a OS without hardware. Others will have to take that lead. Android progress is partly due to early access to hardware.

Android appstore income percentage goes to the carrier. Ovi really changes nothing here.

And Symbian that is mostly Feature Phones. Is disappearing. At about 1 percent per month. So 4 years to completely disappear if that speed does not change. Some markets are showing faster disappearing rates.

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Android devices will start turning up Dual OS. Android for general usage. Ubuntu or some other arm based Linux for when docked. WP7 phones currently don't have a docked mode.


I really think this is a gimmick, I personally just can't see how well this will be received. However, saying that it is coming to Android(as in not here yet, except for what has been reviewed as crappy Atrix implementation), and chiding WP7 for not having it yet is somewhat of a double standard.
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Of course current forms appear gimmick. I will give you that. Issue here you saw it on duel core chips lacking cpu speed. Quad and greater number of cores is coming to arm chips in phones before end of year.

Its not only in Atrix by the way its in the Xoom as well. Xoom devices have been reviewing better for the dual mode. Xoom devices are a little more powerful than Atrix ones.

Also Atrix picked a really bad browser. Firefox is not known for performing on Linux. Chrome or Chromium would have given a lot better showing. There is a issue with sqlite that Firefox uses to store its data and the file systems in Linux. That causes a major performance hit on firefox.

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Feature Phones that are most of Nokia market is a dieing breed. Reason Android Smart Phones are turning up at the same price.


The key is to upscale feature phone customers to smart phones, and that is achieved by pushing Windows Phone 7 to the mid range. Given the fact that Windows Phone 7 runs smoother using older generation Snapdragons than these new flashy dual core snapdragons and Tegras, I don't think it should be too much of a problem.
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Problem again dual core is going to be old hat by end of year. Also there is a problem. The dual core faster chips use less power than the older single core generation Snapdragon chips. So battery life you are going to lose using the older generation Snapdragon chips. Yes poor quality phones maybe will use the older generation Snapdragon chips. Even the new quad core designs use less than lot of current dual core chips. Arm adding extra cores really does not add a power hit.

Really Windows Phone 7 due to its CE roots will run into trouble on the duel and quad cores were the power effectiveness is. Lot of work has been done to the Linux kernel prepping it for this event.

Issue is there is no short cut out of work. In fact Nokia has chosen a OS that will need lots of work to get it ready on current day best of breed hardware.

There is a lack of valid arguments for WP7.

Best one really for WP7 is that its interface is design for the old with large buttons for people with vision trouble.

WP7 and Android really target two different market segments.

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Nokia will be needing to make themselves new market.


Hey, this is by no means assured. They will have to try, but this was their best way forward.
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Really they are not trying there best and that is where problems are coming from.

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