Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Mar 2011 12:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y If you were, you know, living your lives, you've probably missed it, but old fires are burning brightly once again: there's somewhat of a falling-out going on between KDE and GNOME, with Canonical siding squarely with... KDE. The issue seems to revolve around GNOME's lack of collaboration, as explained by KDE's Aaron Seigo.
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12 Years and Counting
by arbour42 on Thu 10th Mar 2011 19:08 UTC
arbour42
Member since:
2005-07-06

It's been over 12 years now since the Gnome-KDE "war" began and fractured the Linux desktop. And Linux on the Desktop is still virtually no where in the market place - measly, meaningless usage rates.

Yawn. Shuttleworth can keep linux for his servers (which is probably the only place he's making money), with a KDE shell if necessary. Then put his resources behind Haiku for a client desktop. I don't see anything else at this point that has a chance of gaining meaningful market share from Windows or Apple.

The linux desktop is still a mess after more than a decade.

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RE: 12 Years and Counting
by Sauron on Fri 11th Mar 2011 07:40 in reply to "12 Years and Counting"
Sauron Member since:
2005-08-02

No Thanks! Keep Shuttleworth and Ubuntu devs well away from Haiku. The last thing we need is Haiku been broken too!

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RE: 12 Years and Counting
by searly on Fri 11th Mar 2011 10:20 in reply to "12 Years and Counting"
searly Member since:
2006-02-27

"Then put his resources behind Haiku for a client desktop. I don't see anything else at this point that has a chance of gaining meaningful market share from Windows or Apple."

ROFL - that was a good one ...

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RE: 12 Years and Counting
by No it isnt on Fri 11th Mar 2011 12:25 in reply to "12 Years and Counting"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

I'm willing to bet that Haiku never, ever, will be as complete or usable a desktop environment as Ubuntu of today.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm willing to bet that Haiku never, ever, will be as complete or usable a desktop environment as Ubuntu of today.


Is it? And if it is, "with a little help from my friends" (Debian).

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RE[2]: 12 Years and Counting
by jbauer on Fri 11th Mar 2011 14:13 in reply to "RE: 12 Years and Counting"
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm willing to bet that Haiku never, ever, will be as complete or usable a desktop environment as Ubuntu of today.


Even if that'd mean setting a really low goal for themselves.

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RE: 12 Years and Counting
by allanregistos on Sat 12th Mar 2011 01:19 in reply to "12 Years and Counting"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

It's been over 12 years now since the Gnome-KDE "war" began and fractured the Linux desktop. And Linux on the Desktop is still virtually no where in the market place - measly, meaningless usage rates.

Yawn. Shuttleworth can keep linux for his servers (which is probably the only place he's making money), with a KDE shell if necessary. Then put his resources behind Haiku for a client desktop. I don't see anything else at this point that has a chance of gaining meaningful market share from Windows or Apple.

The linux desktop is still a mess after more than a
decade.


Don't drink a lot. Are you sure Haiku supports all those massive hardware out there that Linux supports? You want Mark to use the Haiku kernel and be again crippled on all hardware fronts?

I say, Canonical was taking the right steps = Shell(debatable if GS or Unity) but its the right decision + wayland on the GUI, then support QT framework to get a massive ISV support. Application content is the key to success, then Linux on the Kernel, no not from BSD or Haiku since it will create a massive headaches and will almost require a rewrite of everything just to get it work.

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RE: 12 Years and Counting
by gilboa on Sat 12th Mar 2011 07:41 in reply to "12 Years and Counting"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

Here's the thing.
If -I- and my co-workers can use KDE (or GNOME) and go about daily lives without using Windows - it's a sold proof that Linux has come a -long- way in the past 10 years.

I switched from Windows 2K to RedHat 7.2 as my primary OS back at 2002 and change is simply amazing.
Back in 2002, KDE 2.x and GNOME 1.x were miles behind Windows 2K and Windows XP UI while on the other hand, in many respects KDE 4.6 makes Windows 7 DE look bare.

A couple of examples:
Real virtual desktops with different icons and widget per virtual desktop (via activities), class / application name based windows grouping and virtual desktop placement, network [ssh/smb/X11/etc] transparency across the board, far better file management (explorer hasn't aged very well), far, far, far better console (The Win32 console API should be table behind the shed and killed), and I can continue...

Now, Linux may never replacing Windows as -the- desktop Operating system, and frankly, I can't say that I really care. (And given the rise of Pad's and smart phones, I'm not sure the market ever cares...)
As long as -I- and the people around me have the tools that we require, I'm perfectly happy in using a OS that only has 1-2% market share.

- Gilboa

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