Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Mar 2011 12:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y If you were, you know, living your lives, you've probably missed it, but old fires are burning brightly once again: there's somewhat of a falling-out going on between KDE and GNOME, with Canonical siding squarely with... KDE. The issue seems to revolve around GNOME's lack of collaboration, as explained by KDE's Aaron Seigo.
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jamboarder
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2009-02-16

The truth is we had then and even more now many many examples of applications that quite successfully separate data from presentation in the systray. The vast majority of these aren't new fandangled apps, but legacy apps that were easily updated to support the features made available by the spec. In fact for apps that weren't updated, all current implementations of the spec fall back to the old XEmbed behaviour - they behave as they always have. The actual implemenations of the spec (KDE, Unity and Cairo-Dock) demonstrate quite clearly that, not only can it be done but it works quite well.

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Richard Dale Member since:
2005-07-22

The truth is we had then and even more now many many examples of applications that quite successfully separate data from presentation in the systray. The vast majority of these aren't new fandangled apps, but legacy apps that were easily updated to support the features made available by the spec. In fact for apps that weren't updated, all current implementations of the spec fall back to the old XEmbed behaviour - they behave as they always have. The actual implemenations of the spec (KDE, Unity and Cairo-Dock) demonstrate quite clearly that, not only can it be done but it works quite well.


Who do you mean by 'we' here - is that the KDE or Unity developers or the Gnome Shell ones?

There have only been complaints that people like Aaron Seigo and Mark Shuttleworth are being unreasonable, and I'm still not clear how the Gnome Shell handles this functionality. I don't understand why the Gnome Shell devs aren't explaining how their tech works, as that would appear to be the best way to resolve why they didn't go with the freedesktop spec.

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jamboarder Member since:
2009-02-16

The KDE folks did and Canonical had examples of apps patched to use libappindicator. Gnome Shell folks appeared to have objections then went effectively incommunicado.

I won't dwell on the negative though. This particular problem is likely fixable. It is just a symptom of what has been a growing problem of inadequate or ineffective collaboration within the FOSS DE community, GNOME included. That problem is rather more important to address.

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