Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Mar 2011 12:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y If you were, you know, living your lives, you've probably missed it, but old fires are burning brightly once again: there's somewhat of a falling-out going on between KDE and GNOME, with Canonical siding squarely with... KDE. The issue seems to revolve around GNOME's lack of collaboration, as explained by KDE's Aaron Seigo.
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Mystilleef
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2005-06-29

Well you provided quotes from Aaron (kde) and Mark (ubuntu) and none from any gnome developers involved in this issue. How can you pretend this is balanced?

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HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

Well you provided quotes from Aaron (kde) and Mark (ubuntu) and none from any gnome developers involved in this issue. How can you pretend this is balanced?


Totally agree with you Mystilleef. It's sad to see some of your comments voted down when the points you made were perfectly valid. The STFU response from Thom was also pretty dissapointing.

This piece can only be described as opinion. It comes down hard on Gnome, and definitely does not present their side of the story in any way.

While I happen to agree that Gnome is in the wrong on this issue, authors have to decide when writing a piece like this whether they are going to provide opinion (which is fine), or balanced news.

The distinction between the two is rarely, if ever, made on OSNews.

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Mystilleef Member since:
2005-06-29

Juvenile journalism, that's what osnews has become. Only at osnews does an editor attack its readership. It shows the magnitude of your maturity and professionalism and respect for your audience Thom. I remember when osnews used to be populated by constructive debates (Eugenia's time). That's why I hardly contribute anymore.

I think all parties share a blame in this issue. They're all playing politics.

Ubuntu can't spend years developing projects in private, code dump it on GNOME, demand they retain copyright assignments and expect GNOME to agree to all that. It just doesn't work that way. Yes, Ubuntu doesn't get any special privileges. And they need to stop all these __private__ messages. Leave everything in the public (mailing list, bugzilla, forums, etc) where everyone can see it.

KDE can't let their egos come into play when GNOME developers provide constructive criticisms. If GNOME rejects something, ask what can be done to achieve the goal of desktop interoperability. Same goes for GNOME.

GNOME needs to understand that community development is a give and take process. Sometimes you have to compromise to keep the peace. It can't be GNOME's way or the highway. They'll alienate the community. GNOME needs to work on a process that make contributing to GNOME easy and __communicate__ better with its community. The perception that GNOME is an elitist community needs to be addressed by GNOME.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Well you provided quotes from Aaron (kde) and Mark (ubuntu) and none from any gnome developers involved in this issue.

1. Dave Neary's blog posting is in both those links.

2. They don't want to respond for obvious reasons.

3. They have made their feelings clear in the comments on those blog entries - they claim that things that others had said had been agreed never took place and that's all. Have a read.

4. They hope this will all kind of go away by giving vague answers.

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Mystilleef Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm a lot more interested in responses by developers involved in these discussions on the mailing lists, forums and bug reports.

Comments in blogs are usually opinionated noise.

Mark claims that libappindicator was proposed to GNOME and rejected. I can't find any entries for this in the gnome mailing list.

Aaron's discussion with the GNOME developers about the notification specification has already been posted somewhere in this thread. It's a far cry from GNOME developers being elitist. As a matter of fact, very real software engineering issues were raised.

However, I'm tired of all this. It's a waste of my time.

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