Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Mar 2011 12:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y If you were, you know, living your lives, you've probably missed it, but old fires are burning brightly once again: there's somewhat of a falling-out going on between KDE and GNOME, with Canonical siding squarely with... KDE. The issue seems to revolve around GNOME's lack of collaboration, as explained by KDE's Aaron Seigo.
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RE: Desktop Linux
by tuma324 on Sat 12th Mar 2011 06:53 UTC in reply to "Desktop Linux"
tuma324
Member since:
2010-04-09

I am not happy at all with the status of desktop Linux.
I categorically refuse to use KDE 4.
KDE 3.5, which was the best DE ever, of any OS, is hardly available.

I am compelled to use Gnome, but I am not 100% satisfied either.

Way to ignore user needs and to kill desktop Linux.
Well done, people.

And that is probably why proprietary OSes thrive. They can't afford to say: "who cares about users"


Right click on a KDE4 desktop, click "Desktop Settings", click "Unlock Widgets", on Layout choose "Folder View" and you have the same desktop you had on KDE 3.5 and more.

It's not killing a desktop, it's called moving on and advancing the technology. Get over it and adapt yourself.

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RE[2]: Desktop Linux
by grat on Sat 12th Mar 2011 10:08 in reply to "RE: Desktop Linux"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

No, sadly, "desktop as folder view" is not a good replacement for the functionality of KDE 3.5.x. That's propaganda.

In KDE 3.5, I drag an icon to a USB device, I get the file. In KDE 4, I get the shortcut. It's a kludge (with all respect to Aaron Siego's coding skills)-- it's obvious that the plasma desktop was never designed to be a file space. Maybe that's a good thing-- Personally, I'm too used to the old way. We went from a "zoomable" interface to "activities", which are understood well by asiego, but not so much by a large percentage of the userbase.

I could insert a standard rant about "work folders", and how no desktop has gotten it right since OS/2, but it's an old, tired argument.

I could complain about the fact that Plasma and Oxygen are two incompatible paradigms on the same desktop (why must I resize a dolphin window one way, and a folder view another way?!?), but that ship has also sailed. I can't put one wallpaper across two monitors, which although minor, has been a personal irritant since KDE 4.0.

KDE 4.6 is finally getting somewhere, although the contortions akonadi puts me through make me grit my teeth.

All in all, both Gnome and KDE seem to have turned their backs on what the average user wants, and are determined to ram "their way" down the consumer's keyboard, whether we want it or not. KDE has spent the last two years improving that original stance, whereas Gnome is still impaling themselves on their sword-- so of course KDE comes across as more reasonable.

Hey Aaron, if you're reading this... what's the use case for rotating a plasma widget? I haven't come up with one that isn't a gimmick. And I'd still like to be able to shrink/iconify a folder view and/or activity to a single widget. ;)

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RE[3]: Desktop Linux
by Anonymous Penguin on Sat 12th Mar 2011 21:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Desktop Linux"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm too used to the old way. We went from a "zoomable" interface to "activities", which are understood well by asiego, but not so much by a large percentage of the userbase.


Exactly. That is what I say to myself: KDE 3.5 was a desktop for users, KDE 4 is a desktop for geeks.
You have managed to explain very well what I was trying to say. However that doesn't explain why I was modded down twice.

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RE[3]: Desktop Linux
by tuma324 on Mon 14th Mar 2011 06:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Desktop Linux"
tuma324 Member since:
2010-04-09

Hey Aaron, if you're reading this... what's the use case for rotating a plasma widget? I haven't come up with one that isn't a gimmick. And I'd still like to be able to shrink/iconify a folder view and/or activity to a single widget. ;)


I'm not Aaron but I believe that's a functionality they added for form factors like touch displays, etc. So you can move widgets as you wish with your hands, and rotate them, etc.

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RE[2]: Desktop Linux
by orfanum on Mon 14th Mar 2011 13:42 in reply to "RE: Desktop Linux"
orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

I agree to an extent: have just this weekend returned to KDE after several years of using GNOME at home (I still use it on a work-based machine, just in case anyone thinks I am being wilfully partisan). I had moved away from KDE as a disgruntled 3.5 user who wasn't able to get over himself. I understood that KDE has been developing so thought I would give it a go. So far, I am happily surprised - someone above called it a 'Windows clone' but interestingly I have installed a KDE-based distro on account of two days of hair-pulling realisation that a lot of the foibles of Vista are still buried in W7 - and in that sense, what's wrong with a Windows clone with some genetic augmentation ;) !

Equally however this new experience of KDE means a lesson for me when it comes to evaluating GNOME 3 - count to twenty (or more), listen to the arguments (not your own cherished opinions), and try to work with what there is, instead of going off in a huff!

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