Choosing Between Portability and Innovation
Linked by Oliver on Fri 11th Mar 2011 23:32 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "Now that Linux is the most popular free Unix-like operating system, it shouldn't be a surprise that some projects have begun treating non-Linux operating systems as second-class citizens. This isn't out of contempt for the BSDs or OpenSolaris, it's just a matter of limited manpower: if almost all the users of the application have a Linux operating system and if all the core developers are using Linux themselves, it's difficult to keep supporting other operating systems. But sometimes the choice to leave out support for other operating systems is explicitly made, e.g. when the developers want to implement some innovative features that require functionality that is (at least for now) only available in the Linux kernel."
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somebody
Member since:
2005-07-07

Gibberish few people can understand, or non-gibberish few people can understand, but has the chance of being translated?
Which of these sounds worse?


actually, in 99.99% you only need to go a bit away and reread the statement. translating always requires interaction

Seriously, google translate can do better than some of these people...


obviously you never saw how google translates my native language into english. compared to that translation, i'm willing to bet that OP can qualify for perfect english spoken person

there are first class citizens in google translate and there are second class, my country is in second

It's plain rude to expect people to sift through garbage to find what you mean. I wouldn't do it to anyone else, nor will I tolerate it.


you mean you put a lot in grammar. there is still yet to be seen one sensible post that makes solid point.

If one refuses to post anything intelligible, be it in English or otherwise, then they shouldn't post anything whatsoever.


lol, you should really listen to your self more

This humanoid is _trolling_ and making zero valid points, and I'm still offering to hear them out.


he didn't troll (rough translation of his post at the end), in fact if i compare his and your statements. he did make a valid point, while you were successfully spouting nonsense in perfect english. truth be told, i had to bother my self actually trying to understand his statement, while yours cannot be understood even after rereading them. (taking OP thread only in this account)

p.s. note to Thom /sorry, couldn't resist being sarcastic/
if you ever decide to post articles in your native language, at least make one last warning in english so i can remove my bookmark

p.p.s. here is rough translation of post that OP made (sorry, if i change some things and even more sorry if it doesn't fit your english criteria, i can make same post in my language and use google translate, but i doubt you could make sense of anything, i can't)

bsd doesn't invent, they don't even try to include something unless it is set in stone
linux on the other hand is all about innovation and new things

beside both being free (and even there they differ as one propose freedom for user and ones for software), they don't have one thing in common as they work on completely different development approach. sure, it started with posix and so on... trouble is, paths they choose how to achieve their goal are completely different

now, if bsd has not enough users... maybe they should rethink their approach, either focus on servers where stability is preferred or adapt to the fact that desktops have new needs every day and stagnation doesn't really work. it is a pure nonsense to demand world stagnation just because it doesn't fit your view.

in fact... isn't this just the same as natural selection where one species simply goes dodo? and more adaptable species survives? news for you, standing your ground while demanding support and recognition is not adapting. especially if only mediocre number of users actually uses your product

also, OP mentioned how this relates to gnome/kde/canonical fiasco from few days. yes, it is exactly like that. goals and paths differ and there is no right or wrong side simply because all sides have its vision.

now, my 2 cents and my personal opinion, foss developers should really look at the nature. natural selection is one way to select the right one. more competition with weeding out the weakest links could only bring faster development and less fragmentation

Edited 2011-03-12 15:54 UTC

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TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Ok, I think I understood _most_ of that.

It's not about "meeting my criteria" it's "making sense".

How can I/we be expected to reply with accuracy to what you're trying to say, when what you're _actually_ saying makes no logical sense?

It's not fair to anyone if I'm guessing as to your exact meaning. If it was in your mother tongue, and google spat out garbage, I could find someone who actually spoke both English and <foo>. Wouldn't be that hard. You should probably do that.


Again, I'm not saying "SPEAK ENGLISH RIGHT OR DIE!!!" I'm saying "English is a shite language, and so you're not speaking it properly. As such I cannot say I got any point you may have been making with any veracity".

As an aside, I'm honestly curious what you intended by "Bio? No, thanks. Not a vegetarian".
I'm sure the joke's pretty funny in whatever language in which it started, but in English it doesn't really work.

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somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

just my 2 cents

How can I/we be expected to reply with accuracy to what you're trying to say, when what you're _actually_ saying makes no logical sense?


if you don't understand, do not respond and do not go into all-out offensive. if you need, mark it down and it will disappear. does every point need your response?

his point actually made sense (to me at least, but i had to try really, really hard to understand, but it made sense), just not to you.

and just curious, was my somewhat rough translation unclear as well?

It's not fair to anyone if I'm guessing as to your exact meaning. If it was in your mother tongue, and google spat out garbage, I could find someone who actually spoke both English and <foo>


haha, and here... after you can't even bother to try to think what original poster said. you propose this?

yes, i can imagine my self flying over the internet. "anyone speaking foo? someone wrote a post and i want to know what he said so i can respond". yeah, right. now imagine whole internet working like that

reminds me on this one
http://xkcd.com/386/

and yes, bio is really a local joke here. google translated it exactly like it is written. in fact, knowing the joke, translation sounds even funnier to me because it is downright stupid. it was never meant to be funny to others. now imagine posts like that.

btw. i'm a strong believer in right to express your self and equality.

"i disapprove of what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it" from evelyn beatrice hall is probably my favorite rule.

Edited 2011-03-12 21:03 UTC

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