Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Mar 2011 18:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And over the weekend, the saga regarding Canonical, GNOME, and KDE has continued. Lots of comments all over the web, some heated, some well-argued, some wholly indifferent. Most interestingly, Jeff Waugh and Dave Neary have elaborated on GNOME's position after the initial blog posts by Shuttleworth and Seigo, providing a more coherent look at GNOME's side of the story.
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RE[3]: Duck and Cover
by Kitty on Mon 14th Mar 2011 21:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Duck and Cover"
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Gnome shell seems to have tackled the problem of notification and tray area from the functional point of view, not just the technical one.

Thus not "xembed is unflexible, a dbus protocol to signal application status would be better if coupled with a new tech for notify icons and menus"

But "why is an application putting an icon in tray? Is it sending a notification the user must interact with? is it a system-wide status signal and control point? What kind of actions would be possible in a transient notification, which should always be accessible? What about urgency level affecting the display?"

From this derived the basic mismatch you can read about in the discussion, with Gnome coders dubious about a pure transmission method that poses no ipothesis on the interaction on the receiving part, whereas they seemed to think the coupling important for the redesign of the whole.
And KDE devs stating that yes, the data was just being sent and totally decoupled from the presentation... so much that there's no indication whatsoever of what the user-facing application can or should do with tha data it receives.
Frankly, both aspects seem worthy of work to me, on different levels, but I'm sure it's a prerogative of the Gnome shell coders to deem that the tech proposal was not solving the UX design problems they were interested in wrt the tray - at least at the moment. And what should have they done with a tech they had no practical interest in, if not let it be until they could contribute with real case requirements?

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