Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Mar 2011 18:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And over the weekend, the saga regarding Canonical, GNOME, and KDE has continued. Lots of comments all over the web, some heated, some well-argued, some wholly indifferent. Most interestingly, Jeff Waugh and Dave Neary have elaborated on GNOME's position after the initial blog posts by Shuttleworth and Seigo, providing a more coherent look at GNOME's side of the story.
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Grow the **** up...
by J.R. on Mon 14th Mar 2011 22:56 UTC
J.R.
Member since:
2007-07-25

That seems to be the only solution.

I am loosing faith in the Linux community. Everywhere I turn within the different Linux communities there are enormous egos fighting each other. Personally I think that Gnome looks like the bad guy in this, which is sad. However, pointing to KDE for good example is just plain stupid. Everyone already forgot the "fuck you" attitude of Aaron Seigo during the first KDE4 release (no offense man, you do write good software)? It made me switch to Gnome, and now I don't know where to turn if Gnome don't get their shit together.

I am indeed loosing faith. Forget the egos and politics, and just stick to writing good software!

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RE: Grow the **** up...
by SlackerJack on Mon 14th Mar 2011 23:25 in reply to "Grow the **** up... "
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Well don't get involved in the politics then because most of the time, facts get lost in the FUD.

Users are actually just as bad, if not worse, slagging off KDE4.0 and GNOME 3.0 even before they have been released.

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RE[2]: Grow the **** up...
by allanregistos on Tue 15th Mar 2011 05:07 in reply to "RE: Grow the **** up... "
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

Well don't get involved in the politics then because most of the time, facts get lost in the FUD.

Users are actually just as bad, if not worse, slagging off KDE4.0 and GNOME 3.0 even before they have been released.

I for tested KDE 4.0 marked STABLE and it was still alpha quality software at that stage. GNOME 3.0's ridiculous design decision of hiding Shutdown button is a worthy of criticism.

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RE: Grow the **** up...
by _txf_ on Tue 15th Mar 2011 01:43 in reply to "Grow the **** up... "
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Everyone already forgot the "fuck you" attitude of Aaron Seigo during the first KDE4 release.It made me switch to Gnome, and now I don't know where to turn if Gnome don't get their shit together.

You got annoyed that kde wasn't implementing the features you wanted and you went to *gnome*, that is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

(no offense man, you do write good software)?

ROFL

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RE[2]: Grow the **** up...
by J.R. on Tue 15th Mar 2011 07:04 in reply to "RE: Grow the **** up... "
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

" Everyone already forgot the "fuck you" attitude of Aaron Seigo during the first KDE4 release.It made me switch to Gnome, and now I don't know where to turn if Gnome don't get their shit together.

You got annoyed that kde wasn't implementing the features you wanted and you went to *gnome*, that is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

(no offense man, you do write good software)?

ROFL
"

Well it was not really about the quality of the software (although some might disagree). It did have everything to do with a key developer telling the users to go fuck themselves on his own blog. Basically his words were more in the line of "I contribute, you guys (the users) don't, go fuck yourself", not in those _exact_ words of course, but not far from it. For me, that is a deal breaker no matter how good the software is.

I believe that this is a recurring theme in the Linux community, unfortunately. Remember GAIM/Pidgin a couple of years back? Basically the same story. Make unpopular changes and telling the users to go f themselves. Now I feel Gnome is heading somewhat in the same direction with Gnome-shell and the key developers inability to listen for input from external contributers. They may argue that Canonical is to blame for a lot of things, and they might even be correct, but that does not excuse them from their own fault. They should clean their own house before pointing fingers because they can not possibly believe that all of the criticism is 100% wrong?

The best thing for Gnome would be to admit what could be handled better, and try to improve for later. That would be to "grow the fuck up..."

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RE: Grow the **** up...
by Anonymous Penguin on Tue 15th Mar 2011 02:32 in reply to "Grow the **** up... "
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I am exactly in the same boat as you, man.
It is a pity that in order to use OS X you have only 2 choiches:
1)Buy their overpriced, often underspecced hardware.
2)Run it in a hackintosh. Apart from technical issues, you are in breach of EULA.

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RE: Grow the **** up...
by allanregistos on Tue 15th Mar 2011 05:04 in reply to "Grow the **** up... "
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

That seems to be the only solution.

I am loosing faith in the Linux community. Everywhere I turn within the different Linux communities there are enormous egos fighting each other. Personally I think that Gnome looks like the bad guy in this, which is sad. However, pointing to KDE for good example is just plain stupid. Everyone already forgot the "fuck you" attitude of Aaron Seigo during the first KDE4 release (no offense man, you do write good software)? It made me switch to Gnome, and now I don't know where to turn if Gnome don't get their shit together.

I am indeed loosing faith. Forget the egos and politics, and just stick to writing good software!

I forgot of where I wrote my disappointment of KDE 4.0. Previously I am so excited about KDE4, testing the beta will always leave my desktop blank. And with the 4.0 released, I'm running to use it to be disappointed only. It barely works, and often crashed, so I plainly told the KDE people that they lied to the public by releasing an alpha software branded as stable. For now, KDE4 becomes impressive with so many features. Thanks for that.

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